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Debian stable ? Why does it rock for server and not for an efficient daily laptop [on hold]



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InHow to keep my Debian system with the latest packages?Stable server distribution without systemd (for OpenVZ)?Linux Debian codenamesFull local copy of an entire distro?Recommended way of repackaging proprietary deb packages, which include old system libraries`apt update` failed on Debian LinuxUpgrading Debian stable dailyTouchpad buttons do not release after press (Debian Gnome and others)APT source.list issueWhat are the area(s) of difference between Linux distributions that involve an actual incompatibility?



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Everything is fine using Debian stable, but sometimes (and it is the case right now, especially just before the Debian buster stable release), I am haunted by other demons :
- ArchLinux or Manjaro. Well I am a mathematician and I am not fond of playing computer games. I like when the things are stable because I hate losing time to rebuilt my system after a break system. I don't developed anything for the linux community and after watching this video,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igJiHdJ5OU



it seems to me Arch is more suitable for developers.
So I give up using any Arch distribution, and I can live peacefully with it.



One aspect that I loved about Arch is that it has this minimalist philosophy but this has a cost (the time needed). Moreover I think it's the best way to learn about a linux distribution by ourself because we need to debug knowing what we are doing and not just copy/paste for the documentation.



I choose Debian stable with minimal install and then I added my file manager (pcmanfm) and all other software I needed (using backport or flatpak (inkscape, gimp, geogebra, franz, blender, steams,...)).



My question is the following: we read a lot about the stable release that it provides very old packages. Can you give me examples where this could lead me to say: "arf Debian stable is not that perfect".



Referring to



https://www.slant.co/options/2692/~debian-gnu-linux-review



Debian has a lot of valuable points, even if I consider the votes biased. It is the best distribution for machine learning algorithms, a domain which is continuously changing. So why on the one hand we say it uses a lot of very old package and on the other hand it is the best to use for new libraries in python, ... ?



What is struggling me is that people easily says that Debian is bad since it has old packages but I don't have precise situations where it could be a problem to use old package.



Take an example: java with openjdk and openjre. The version is not the same for testing and stable, but is it really a huge change (in terms of productivity or available libraries or software) to use the newest version of java ?



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Is there a "sociology" study (on the social aspect, on the professional aspect or any relevant criterion) on the linux community related to the distribution that they used ?










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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Romeo Ninov, GAD3R, JdeBP, RoVo, muru Apr 8 at 14:26


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    People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

    – JdeBP
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 ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 9.8 stretch
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 6h 25m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 1891
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: zsh 5.3.1
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`$$b "-.__ GTK Theme: Adwaita-dark [GTK2]
`Y$$ Icon Theme: Zafiro-icons
`Y$$. Font: TeX Gyre Bonum 10
`$$b. CPU: Intel Core i5-6440HQ CPU @ 3.5GHz
`Y$$b. GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)
`"Y$b._ RAM: 3548MiB / 7599MiB


Everything is fine using Debian stable, but sometimes (and it is the case right now, especially just before the Debian buster stable release), I am haunted by other demons :
- ArchLinux or Manjaro. Well I am a mathematician and I am not fond of playing computer games. I like when the things are stable because I hate losing time to rebuilt my system after a break system. I don't developed anything for the linux community and after watching this video,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igJiHdJ5OU



it seems to me Arch is more suitable for developers.
So I give up using any Arch distribution, and I can live peacefully with it.



One aspect that I loved about Arch is that it has this minimalist philosophy but this has a cost (the time needed). Moreover I think it's the best way to learn about a linux distribution by ourself because we need to debug knowing what we are doing and not just copy/paste for the documentation.



I choose Debian stable with minimal install and then I added my file manager (pcmanfm) and all other software I needed (using backport or flatpak (inkscape, gimp, geogebra, franz, blender, steams,...)).



My question is the following: we read a lot about the stable release that it provides very old packages. Can you give me examples where this could lead me to say: "arf Debian stable is not that perfect".



Referring to



https://www.slant.co/options/2692/~debian-gnu-linux-review



Debian has a lot of valuable points, even if I consider the votes biased. It is the best distribution for machine learning algorithms, a domain which is continuously changing. So why on the one hand we say it uses a lot of very old package and on the other hand it is the best to use for new libraries in python, ... ?



What is struggling me is that people easily says that Debian is bad since it has old packages but I don't have precise situations where it could be a problem to use old package.



Take an example: java with openjdk and openjre. The version is not the same for testing and stable, but is it really a huge change (in terms of productivity or available libraries or software) to use the newest version of java ?



More WTF
Is there a "sociology" study (on the social aspect, on the professional aspect or any relevant criterion) on the linux community related to the distribution that they used ?










share|improve this question















put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Romeo Ninov, GAD3R, JdeBP, RoVo, muru Apr 8 at 14:26


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.













  • 2





    People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

    – JdeBP
    Apr 8 at 14:16













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,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 6h 25m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 1891
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: zsh 5.3.1
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`Y$$ Icon Theme: Zafiro-icons
`Y$$. Font: TeX Gyre Bonum 10
`$$b. CPU: Intel Core i5-6440HQ CPU @ 3.5GHz
`Y$$b. GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)
`"Y$b._ RAM: 3548MiB / 7599MiB


Everything is fine using Debian stable, but sometimes (and it is the case right now, especially just before the Debian buster stable release), I am haunted by other demons :
- ArchLinux or Manjaro. Well I am a mathematician and I am not fond of playing computer games. I like when the things are stable because I hate losing time to rebuilt my system after a break system. I don't developed anything for the linux community and after watching this video,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igJiHdJ5OU



it seems to me Arch is more suitable for developers.
So I give up using any Arch distribution, and I can live peacefully with it.



One aspect that I loved about Arch is that it has this minimalist philosophy but this has a cost (the time needed). Moreover I think it's the best way to learn about a linux distribution by ourself because we need to debug knowing what we are doing and not just copy/paste for the documentation.



I choose Debian stable with minimal install and then I added my file manager (pcmanfm) and all other software I needed (using backport or flatpak (inkscape, gimp, geogebra, franz, blender, steams,...)).



My question is the following: we read a lot about the stable release that it provides very old packages. Can you give me examples where this could lead me to say: "arf Debian stable is not that perfect".



Referring to



https://www.slant.co/options/2692/~debian-gnu-linux-review



Debian has a lot of valuable points, even if I consider the votes biased. It is the best distribution for machine learning algorithms, a domain which is continuously changing. So why on the one hand we say it uses a lot of very old package and on the other hand it is the best to use for new libraries in python, ... ?



What is struggling me is that people easily says that Debian is bad since it has old packages but I don't have precise situations where it could be a problem to use old package.



Take an example: java with openjdk and openjre. The version is not the same for testing and stable, but is it really a huge change (in terms of productivity or available libraries or software) to use the newest version of java ?



More WTF
Is there a "sociology" study (on the social aspect, on the professional aspect or any relevant criterion) on the linux community related to the distribution that they used ?










share|improve this question
















 ,g$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$P. OS: Debian 9.8 stretch
,g$$P"" """Y$$.". Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
,$$P' `$$$. Uptime: 6h 25m
',$$P ,ggs. `$$b: Packages: 1891
`d$$' ,$P"' . $$$ Shell: zsh 5.3.1
$$P d$' , $$P Resolution: 1920x1080
$$: $$. - ,d$$' DE: XFCE
$$; Y$b._ _,d$P' WM: Xfwm4
Y$$. `.`"Y$$$$P"' WM Theme: Moheli
`$$b "-.__ GTK Theme: Adwaita-dark [GTK2]
`Y$$ Icon Theme: Zafiro-icons
`Y$$. Font: TeX Gyre Bonum 10
`$$b. CPU: Intel Core i5-6440HQ CPU @ 3.5GHz
`Y$$b. GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)
`"Y$b._ RAM: 3548MiB / 7599MiB


Everything is fine using Debian stable, but sometimes (and it is the case right now, especially just before the Debian buster stable release), I am haunted by other demons :
- ArchLinux or Manjaro. Well I am a mathematician and I am not fond of playing computer games. I like when the things are stable because I hate losing time to rebuilt my system after a break system. I don't developed anything for the linux community and after watching this video,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igJiHdJ5OU



it seems to me Arch is more suitable for developers.
So I give up using any Arch distribution, and I can live peacefully with it.



One aspect that I loved about Arch is that it has this minimalist philosophy but this has a cost (the time needed). Moreover I think it's the best way to learn about a linux distribution by ourself because we need to debug knowing what we are doing and not just copy/paste for the documentation.



I choose Debian stable with minimal install and then I added my file manager (pcmanfm) and all other software I needed (using backport or flatpak (inkscape, gimp, geogebra, franz, blender, steams,...)).



My question is the following: we read a lot about the stable release that it provides very old packages. Can you give me examples where this could lead me to say: "arf Debian stable is not that perfect".



Referring to



https://www.slant.co/options/2692/~debian-gnu-linux-review



Debian has a lot of valuable points, even if I consider the votes biased. It is the best distribution for machine learning algorithms, a domain which is continuously changing. So why on the one hand we say it uses a lot of very old package and on the other hand it is the best to use for new libraries in python, ... ?



What is struggling me is that people easily says that Debian is bad since it has old packages but I don't have precise situations where it could be a problem to use old package.



Take an example: java with openjdk and openjre. The version is not the same for testing and stable, but is it really a huge change (in terms of productivity or available libraries or software) to use the newest version of java ?



More WTF
Is there a "sociology" study (on the social aspect, on the professional aspect or any relevant criterion) on the linux community related to the distribution that they used ?







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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Romeo Ninov, GAD3R, JdeBP, RoVo, muru Apr 8 at 14:26


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.









put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Romeo Ninov, GAD3R, JdeBP, RoVo, muru Apr 8 at 14:26


Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise. If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.









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    People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

    – JdeBP
    Apr 8 at 14:16












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    People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

    – JdeBP
    Apr 8 at 14:16







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People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

– JdeBP
Apr 8 at 14:16





People are not telepathic, and cannot determine what will affect your productivity nor what your personal idea of perfection is. Neither, moreover, is an objective criterion against which right answers can be measured. This is a Q&A WWW site, where answers are marked right and wrong by people.

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