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Its really bothering me that the diode is shown in the opposite direction here and i don't understand why its been put like that? the input voltage will come from the left side of the circuit then why is the diode's cathode connected to the output of the op amp? does the polarity even matter here?



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    Its really bothering me that the diode is shown in the opposite direction here and i don't understand why its been put like that? the input voltage will come from the left side of the circuit then why is the diode's cathode connected to the output of the op amp? does the polarity even matter here?



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      Its really bothering me that the diode is shown in the opposite direction here and i don't understand why its been put like that? the input voltage will come from the left side of the circuit then why is the diode's cathode connected to the output of the op amp? does the polarity even matter here?



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      Its really bothering me that the diode is shown in the opposite direction here and i don't understand why its been put like that? the input voltage will come from the left side of the circuit then why is the diode's cathode connected to the output of the op amp? does the polarity even matter here?



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          In this particular circuit application, the demodulation of amplitude modulated RF, no, the polarity of the diode does not matter. If you reverse the diode, you simply track the positive part of the envelope rather than the negative part. Either will give you the demodulated signal.






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            will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
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            @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
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            @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
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            i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
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          At the point just before the first amp, the radio waves have been filtered to a particular frequency by L1, C1 & C2. That first amplifier is not an op-amp, it is an RF gain amplifier. It amplifies the incoming signal by a number of dB. The signal before and after will be an AC signal, equally biased around ground.



          The diode or detector gets rid of one half of the signal (either the positive half or the negative half, depending on which way the diode is). Description of AM Detector.



          The next stage filters off the carrier signal with a low-pass filter.



          As the next amp, an op-amp has a bipolar power supply so it can handle either the positive or negative signal. It amplifies the sound waveform for the speaker.






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            The signal into the diode is a (presumably) AM (amplitude modulated) signal. The variations in amplitude are what is of interest to the listener and are what the amplifier chain is seeking to recover.



            As shown the diode rectifies negative going halves of the signal.

            If reversed it would rectify positive going half cycles.
            Either way, Cd provides a filter that smooths out (and so removes) the RF variations and results in a voltage that varies with the amplitude of the incoming signal. As shown you get negative variations which are smoothed. Reverse the diode and you would get positive going variations. The two are the same except inverted.



            In either case the resultant "envelope" is AC coupled by Cb, and is DC ground referenced by Rb. So EITHER way "Amplifier" "sees" an AC signal centred around ground. This is amplified and, again, AC coupled vi C3 to the headphones.



            So, either way the result is much the same to the end user.






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              In this particular circuit application, the demodulation of amplitude modulated RF, no, the polarity of the diode does not matter. If you reverse the diode, you simply track the positive part of the envelope rather than the negative part. Either will give you the demodulated signal.






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                will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
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                @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
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                @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
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                The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
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                i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
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              In this particular circuit application, the demodulation of amplitude modulated RF, no, the polarity of the diode does not matter. If you reverse the diode, you simply track the positive part of the envelope rather than the negative part. Either will give you the demodulated signal.






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                will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
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                @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
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              • $begingroup$
                @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
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                yesterday






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                The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
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              In this particular circuit application, the demodulation of amplitude modulated RF, no, the polarity of the diode does not matter. If you reverse the diode, you simply track the positive part of the envelope rather than the negative part. Either will give you the demodulated signal.






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              In this particular circuit application, the demodulation of amplitude modulated RF, no, the polarity of the diode does not matter. If you reverse the diode, you simply track the positive part of the envelope rather than the negative part. Either will give you the demodulated signal.







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                will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
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                @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
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              • $begingroup$
                @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
                $endgroup$
                – glen_geek
                yesterday






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                $begingroup$
                The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
                $endgroup$
                – Sparky256
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                i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
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              • $begingroup$
                will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
                $endgroup$
                – HaidyE
                yesterday










              • $begingroup$
                @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
                $endgroup$
                – Neil_UK
                yesterday










              • $begingroup$
                @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
                $endgroup$
                – glen_geek
                yesterday






              • 2




                $begingroup$
                The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
                $endgroup$
                – Sparky256
                yesterday










              • $begingroup$
                i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
                $endgroup$
                – HaidyE
                yesterday















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              will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
              $endgroup$
              – HaidyE
              yesterday




              $begingroup$
              will the gain not make a difference then? we use three op amps.
              $endgroup$
              – HaidyE
              yesterday












              $begingroup$
              @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
              $endgroup$
              – Neil_UK
              yesterday




              $begingroup$
              @HaidyE no, I don't understand your comment. Neither gain nor number of opamps used makes a difference to the fact that inverting the polarity of the diode will not have a significant effect on the audio recovered from the RF signal, except that is, the polarity of the recovered signal.
              $endgroup$
              – Neil_UK
              yesterday












              $begingroup$
              @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
              $endgroup$
              – glen_geek
              yesterday




              $begingroup$
              @HaidyE Your RF "Amp" (between L1C2 and Diode) is an op-amp? A large portion of available opamps haven't much gain available for radio-frequency signals. Audio signals after the detector stage are considered low-frequency, and op-amps have lots of useful gain. That first amplifier really needs a large GBW product (gain x bandwidth)...if you use an op-amp, select carefully for this spec.
              $endgroup$
              – glen_geek
              yesterday




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              The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
              $endgroup$
              – Sparky256
              yesterday




              $begingroup$
              The RF amp may have a open collector output, so the diode would have to have its cathode facing the IC.
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              yesterday












              $begingroup$
              i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
              $endgroup$
              – HaidyE
              yesterday




              $begingroup$
              i have used 3 op amps with a gain of 5 as i have mentioned before
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              At the point just before the first amp, the radio waves have been filtered to a particular frequency by L1, C1 & C2. That first amplifier is not an op-amp, it is an RF gain amplifier. It amplifies the incoming signal by a number of dB. The signal before and after will be an AC signal, equally biased around ground.



              The diode or detector gets rid of one half of the signal (either the positive half or the negative half, depending on which way the diode is). Description of AM Detector.



              The next stage filters off the carrier signal with a low-pass filter.



              As the next amp, an op-amp has a bipolar power supply so it can handle either the positive or negative signal. It amplifies the sound waveform for the speaker.






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                At the point just before the first amp, the radio waves have been filtered to a particular frequency by L1, C1 & C2. That first amplifier is not an op-amp, it is an RF gain amplifier. It amplifies the incoming signal by a number of dB. The signal before and after will be an AC signal, equally biased around ground.



                The diode or detector gets rid of one half of the signal (either the positive half or the negative half, depending on which way the diode is). Description of AM Detector.



                The next stage filters off the carrier signal with a low-pass filter.



                As the next amp, an op-amp has a bipolar power supply so it can handle either the positive or negative signal. It amplifies the sound waveform for the speaker.






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                  At the point just before the first amp, the radio waves have been filtered to a particular frequency by L1, C1 & C2. That first amplifier is not an op-amp, it is an RF gain amplifier. It amplifies the incoming signal by a number of dB. The signal before and after will be an AC signal, equally biased around ground.



                  The diode or detector gets rid of one half of the signal (either the positive half or the negative half, depending on which way the diode is). Description of AM Detector.



                  The next stage filters off the carrier signal with a low-pass filter.



                  As the next amp, an op-amp has a bipolar power supply so it can handle either the positive or negative signal. It amplifies the sound waveform for the speaker.






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                  At the point just before the first amp, the radio waves have been filtered to a particular frequency by L1, C1 & C2. That first amplifier is not an op-amp, it is an RF gain amplifier. It amplifies the incoming signal by a number of dB. The signal before and after will be an AC signal, equally biased around ground.



                  The diode or detector gets rid of one half of the signal (either the positive half or the negative half, depending on which way the diode is). Description of AM Detector.



                  The next stage filters off the carrier signal with a low-pass filter.



                  As the next amp, an op-amp has a bipolar power supply so it can handle either the positive or negative signal. It amplifies the sound waveform for the speaker.







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                      The signal into the diode is a (presumably) AM (amplitude modulated) signal. The variations in amplitude are what is of interest to the listener and are what the amplifier chain is seeking to recover.



                      As shown the diode rectifies negative going halves of the signal.

                      If reversed it would rectify positive going half cycles.
                      Either way, Cd provides a filter that smooths out (and so removes) the RF variations and results in a voltage that varies with the amplitude of the incoming signal. As shown you get negative variations which are smoothed. Reverse the diode and you would get positive going variations. The two are the same except inverted.



                      In either case the resultant "envelope" is AC coupled by Cb, and is DC ground referenced by Rb. So EITHER way "Amplifier" "sees" an AC signal centred around ground. This is amplified and, again, AC coupled vi C3 to the headphones.



                      So, either way the result is much the same to the end user.






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                        The signal into the diode is a (presumably) AM (amplitude modulated) signal. The variations in amplitude are what is of interest to the listener and are what the amplifier chain is seeking to recover.



                        As shown the diode rectifies negative going halves of the signal.

                        If reversed it would rectify positive going half cycles.
                        Either way, Cd provides a filter that smooths out (and so removes) the RF variations and results in a voltage that varies with the amplitude of the incoming signal. As shown you get negative variations which are smoothed. Reverse the diode and you would get positive going variations. The two are the same except inverted.



                        In either case the resultant "envelope" is AC coupled by Cb, and is DC ground referenced by Rb. So EITHER way "Amplifier" "sees" an AC signal centred around ground. This is amplified and, again, AC coupled vi C3 to the headphones.



                        So, either way the result is much the same to the end user.






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                          The signal into the diode is a (presumably) AM (amplitude modulated) signal. The variations in amplitude are what is of interest to the listener and are what the amplifier chain is seeking to recover.



                          As shown the diode rectifies negative going halves of the signal.

                          If reversed it would rectify positive going half cycles.
                          Either way, Cd provides a filter that smooths out (and so removes) the RF variations and results in a voltage that varies with the amplitude of the incoming signal. As shown you get negative variations which are smoothed. Reverse the diode and you would get positive going variations. The two are the same except inverted.



                          In either case the resultant "envelope" is AC coupled by Cb, and is DC ground referenced by Rb. So EITHER way "Amplifier" "sees" an AC signal centred around ground. This is amplified and, again, AC coupled vi C3 to the headphones.



                          So, either way the result is much the same to the end user.






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                          The signal into the diode is a (presumably) AM (amplitude modulated) signal. The variations in amplitude are what is of interest to the listener and are what the amplifier chain is seeking to recover.



                          As shown the diode rectifies negative going halves of the signal.

                          If reversed it would rectify positive going half cycles.
                          Either way, Cd provides a filter that smooths out (and so removes) the RF variations and results in a voltage that varies with the amplitude of the incoming signal. As shown you get negative variations which are smoothed. Reverse the diode and you would get positive going variations. The two are the same except inverted.



                          In either case the resultant "envelope" is AC coupled by Cb, and is DC ground referenced by Rb. So EITHER way "Amplifier" "sees" an AC signal centred around ground. This is amplified and, again, AC coupled vi C3 to the headphones.



                          So, either way the result is much the same to the end user.







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