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Unexpected behavior of the procedure `Area` on the object 'Polygon'


How to ContourPlot a Table?Unexpected behavior of Unevaluatedis there a way to construct a pattern that would trigger when an expression is used as a held/unevaluated in some form?How to copy text from InputField without adding spurious spaces?many indefinite integrals do not evaluate in 10.1, looking for the causeWhat is the difference between GenerateDocument and TemplateApply[NotebookTemplate[Comparing exact expressions for equality — is it really OK if I get wrong answer?Simple arithmetic with Irrationals failsFinding area of intersection regionsWhy Area give the wrong results when the region cannot be formed?













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Sometimes get a results, sometimes left unevaluated.



For instance



 Area@Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 



12




Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 


(a,b - some 2x2 matrices)




Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]




Area@(Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] )



Area[Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]]




Area@Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]


(copy and paste)




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    If you want to experiment with this and I haven't made a mistake then it looks like his a.b == 2,7,-16,4 This seems to reproduce his results.
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7












$begingroup$


Sometimes get a results, sometimes left unevaluated.



For instance



 Area@Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 



12




Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 


(a,b - some 2x2 matrices)




Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]




Area@(Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] )



Area[Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]]




Area@Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]


(copy and paste)




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    $begingroup$
    What are the definitions of a and b?
    $endgroup$
    – MarcoB
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    If you want to experiment with this and I haven't made a mistake then it looks like his a.b == 2,7,-16,4 This seems to reproduce his results.
    $endgroup$
    – Bill
    yesterday














7












7








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$begingroup$


Sometimes get a results, sometimes left unevaluated.



For instance



 Area@Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 



12




Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 


(a,b - some 2x2 matrices)




Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]




Area@(Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] )



Area[Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]]




Area@Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]


(copy and paste)




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Sometimes get a results, sometimes left unevaluated.



For instance



 Area@Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 



12




Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] 


(a,b - some 2x2 matrices)




Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]




Area@(Transpose@(a.b.Transpose[#]) & /@ Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4] )



Area[Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]]




Area@Polygon[0, 0, 8, -64, 18, -24, 36, -48, 28, 16]


(copy and paste)




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    $begingroup$
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    $endgroup$
    – MarcoB
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  • $begingroup$
    If you want to experiment with this and I haven't made a mistake then it looks like his a.b == 2,7,-16,4 This seems to reproduce his results.
    $endgroup$
    – Bill
    yesterday













  • 3




    $begingroup$
    What are the definitions of a and b?
    $endgroup$
    – MarcoB
    yesterday










  • $begingroup$
    If you want to experiment with this and I haven't made a mistake then it looks like his a.b == 2,7,-16,4 This seems to reproduce his results.
    $endgroup$
    – Bill
    yesterday








3




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$begingroup$
What are the definitions of a and b?
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
yesterday




$begingroup$
What are the definitions of a and b?
$endgroup$
– MarcoB
yesterday












$begingroup$
If you want to experiment with this and I haven't made a mistake then it looks like his a.b == 2,7,-16,4 This seems to reproduce his results.
$endgroup$
– Bill
yesterday





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EDIT: Reported to WRI as CASE:4237867 - and apparently should work on V12. :)



Seems like a bug in my opinion. Consider the following:



With[poly0 = Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4], 
With[poly = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@#] & /@ poly0,
poly0 === poly, Area /@ poly0, poly]]



True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




Although the Mma considers poly0 and its transformed but identical copy (coordinates transformed using IdentityMatrix) identical, they produce different results.



Probably the internal representation of poly is not the same as poly0. At the same time its output form is identical, which actually transforms it to other form if you copy and paste it.



This can be further simplified to show that from the perspective of Polygon two semantically identical coordinate lists can differ:



With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
coord0 === coord, Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, coord]]



True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




I suspect there's something wrong with the way Polygon reads the internal representation of a list!



EDIT: I think there's a good chance this problem is caused by the fact coord is a packed array, while coord0 is not:



With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
coord0 === coord, Developer`PackedArrayQ /@ coord0, coord,
Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, Developer`FromPackedArray@coord]]



True, False, True, 12, 12




So, you can use FromPackedArray on the transformed coordinate list as a workaround.






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    This is a packed array issue:



    Area @ Polygon[Developer`ToPackedArray @ 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]



    Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




    This will be fixed in M12.






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      EDIT: Reported to WRI as CASE:4237867 - and apparently should work on V12. :)



      Seems like a bug in my opinion. Consider the following:



      With[poly0 = Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4], 
      With[poly = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@#] & /@ poly0,
      poly0 === poly, Area /@ poly0, poly]]



      True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




      Although the Mma considers poly0 and its transformed but identical copy (coordinates transformed using IdentityMatrix) identical, they produce different results.



      Probably the internal representation of poly is not the same as poly0. At the same time its output form is identical, which actually transforms it to other form if you copy and paste it.



      This can be further simplified to show that from the perspective of Polygon two semantically identical coordinate lists can differ:



      With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
      With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
      coord0 === coord, Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, coord]]



      True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




      I suspect there's something wrong with the way Polygon reads the internal representation of a list!



      EDIT: I think there's a good chance this problem is caused by the fact coord is a packed array, while coord0 is not:



      With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
      With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
      coord0 === coord, Developer`PackedArrayQ /@ coord0, coord,
      Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, Developer`FromPackedArray@coord]]



      True, False, True, 12, 12




      So, you can use FromPackedArray on the transformed coordinate list as a workaround.






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        EDIT: Reported to WRI as CASE:4237867 - and apparently should work on V12. :)



        Seems like a bug in my opinion. Consider the following:



        With[poly0 = Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4], 
        With[poly = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@#] & /@ poly0,
        poly0 === poly, Area /@ poly0, poly]]



        True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




        Although the Mma considers poly0 and its transformed but identical copy (coordinates transformed using IdentityMatrix) identical, they produce different results.



        Probably the internal representation of poly is not the same as poly0. At the same time its output form is identical, which actually transforms it to other form if you copy and paste it.



        This can be further simplified to show that from the perspective of Polygon two semantically identical coordinate lists can differ:



        With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
        With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
        coord0 === coord, Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, coord]]



        True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




        I suspect there's something wrong with the way Polygon reads the internal representation of a list!



        EDIT: I think there's a good chance this problem is caused by the fact coord is a packed array, while coord0 is not:



        With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
        With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
        coord0 === coord, Developer`PackedArrayQ /@ coord0, coord,
        Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, Developer`FromPackedArray@coord]]



        True, False, True, 12, 12




        So, you can use FromPackedArray on the transformed coordinate list as a workaround.






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          EDIT: Reported to WRI as CASE:4237867 - and apparently should work on V12. :)



          Seems like a bug in my opinion. Consider the following:



          With[poly0 = Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4], 
          With[poly = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@#] & /@ poly0,
          poly0 === poly, Area /@ poly0, poly]]



          True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




          Although the Mma considers poly0 and its transformed but identical copy (coordinates transformed using IdentityMatrix) identical, they produce different results.



          Probably the internal representation of poly is not the same as poly0. At the same time its output form is identical, which actually transforms it to other form if you copy and paste it.



          This can be further simplified to show that from the perspective of Polygon two semantically identical coordinate lists can differ:



          With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
          With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
          coord0 === coord, Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, coord]]



          True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




          I suspect there's something wrong with the way Polygon reads the internal representation of a list!



          EDIT: I think there's a good chance this problem is caused by the fact coord is a packed array, while coord0 is not:



          With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
          With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
          coord0 === coord, Developer`PackedArrayQ /@ coord0, coord,
          Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, Developer`FromPackedArray@coord]]



          True, False, True, 12, 12




          So, you can use FromPackedArray on the transformed coordinate list as a workaround.






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          $endgroup$



          EDIT: Reported to WRI as CASE:4237867 - and apparently should work on V12. :)



          Seems like a bug in my opinion. Consider the following:



          With[poly0 = Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4], 
          With[poly = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@#] & /@ poly0,
          poly0 === poly, Area /@ poly0, poly]]



          True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




          Although the Mma considers poly0 and its transformed but identical copy (coordinates transformed using IdentityMatrix) identical, they produce different results.



          Probably the internal representation of poly is not the same as poly0. At the same time its output form is identical, which actually transforms it to other form if you copy and paste it.



          This can be further simplified to show that from the perspective of Polygon two semantically identical coordinate lists can differ:



          With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
          With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
          coord0 === coord, Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, coord]]



          True, 12, Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




          I suspect there's something wrong with the way Polygon reads the internal representation of a list!



          EDIT: I think there's a good chance this problem is caused by the fact coord is a packed array, while coord0 is not:



          With[coord0 = 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4, 
          With[coord = Transpose[IdentityMatrix[2].Transpose@coord0],
          coord0 === coord, Developer`PackedArrayQ /@ coord0, coord,
          Area@*Polygon /@ coord0, Developer`FromPackedArray@coord]]



          True, False, True, 12, 12




          So, you can use FromPackedArray on the transformed coordinate list as a workaround.







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              This is a packed array issue:



              Area @ Polygon[Developer`ToPackedArray @ 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]



              Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




              This will be fixed in M12.






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                This is a packed array issue:



                Area @ Polygon[Developer`ToPackedArray @ 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]



                Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




                This will be fixed in M12.






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                  This is a packed array issue:



                  Area @ Polygon[Developer`ToPackedArray @ 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]



                  Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




                  This will be fixed in M12.






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                  This is a packed array issue:



                  Area @ Polygon[Developer`ToPackedArray @ 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]



                  Area[Polygon[0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2, 4, 4, 0, 4]]




                  This will be fixed in M12.







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