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How did Beeri the Hittite come up with naming his daughter Yehudit?

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וַיְהִי עֵשָׂו בֶּן־אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה וַיִּקַּח אִשָּׁה אֶת־יְהוּדִית בַּת־בְּאֵרִי הַחִתִּי

וְאֶת־בָּשְׂמַת בַּת־אֵילֹן הַחִתִּי׃

When Esau was forty years old, he took to wife Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath daughter of Elon the Hittite; (Gen 26)

The Hittites were "intrinsically" bad guys, one of the 7 "bad" nations. How did he take the "most Jewish" name that Leah used to thank G-d for her 4th son?

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  R. Dovid Tzvi Hoffman seems to agree with your question: יהודית – כמו יהודה שם שמציאותו אצל בני חת מעוררת תמיהה
  
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  Just a thought, but "Jews" were not really called "Yehudim" back then were they? Even if Yehudah was alive at this point, why would the entire House of Israel go by that name?
  
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וַיְהִי עֵשָׂו בֶּן־אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה וַיִּקַּח אִשָּׁה אֶת־יְהוּדִית בַּת־בְּאֵרִי הַחִתִּי

וְאֶת־בָּשְׂמַת בַּת־אֵילֹן הַחִתִּי׃

When Esau was forty years old, he took to wife Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath daughter of Elon the Hittite; (Gen 26)

The Hittites were "intrinsically" bad guys, one of the 7 "bad" nations. How did he take the "most Jewish" name that Leah used to thank G-d for her 4th son?

parshanut-torah-comment names parashat-toldot

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  R. Dovid Tzvi Hoffman seems to agree with your question: יהודית – כמו יהודה שם שמציאותו אצל בני חת מעוררת תמיהה
  
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  @AlBerko that article (and the answer below) indicates that Beeri isn't the one who came up with the name.
  
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  Just a thought, but "Jews" were not really called "Yehudim" back then were they? Even if Yehudah was alive at this point, why would the entire House of Israel go by that name?
  
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וַיְהִי עֵשָׂו בֶּן־אַרְבָּעִים שָׁנָה וַיִּקַּח אִשָּׁה אֶת־יְהוּדִית בַּת־בְּאֵרִי הַחִתִּי

וְאֶת־בָּשְׂמַת בַּת־אֵילֹן הַחִתִּי׃

When Esau was forty years old, he took to wife Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath daughter of Elon the Hittite; (Gen 26)

The Hittites were "intrinsically" bad guys, one of the 7 "bad" nations. How did he take the "most Jewish" name that Leah used to thank G-d for her 4th son?

parshanut-torah-comment names parashat-toldot

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Rashi in Bereishis 35,2 says that her real name (presumably her father called her) was Oholivomo but Eisav called her Yehudis to connote that she denied Idol worship and believed in One G-d to fool his father that he was righteous.

אהליבמה. הִיא יְהוּדִית, וְהוּא כִנָּה שְׁמָהּ יְהוּדִית לוֹמַר שֶׁהִיא כּוֹפֶרֶת בַּעֲ"זָ כְּדֵי לְהַטְעוֹת אֶת אָבִיו:

The Yerios Shlomo (Rav Shlomo Luria 16th century) explains:

כדי להטעות את אביו. וקשה ולבשמת למה לא כינה לה שם טוב כדי לרמאות את אביו והיה לו לעיל בפרשת תולדות (כו לד) להזכיר אותו שם כינוי אם היה לה וי"ל שעשו קרא לה שם אחר שאינה של עבודת אלילים אלא הכתוב קראה כך בשם עבודת אלילים לפי שכתוב לעיל אחר כך ותכהן עיניו מראות ופירש רש"י מעשנן של אלו ואם היה משנה שמה היה קשה היכן מצינו שהיו מקטרות לכך קראה לעיל בשם זה כדי להראות את זה שלכך נקראת בשמת ע"ש וכו'. [מהרש"ל]"

Bosmas (Ada her real name) Eisav's other wife had a name connoting bringing incence for idolatry, so why did Eisav not change her name to cover up her actions? The answer is that he tried calling her a different name but the Torah had to say the truth about her that she worshiped idolatry to explain how Yitzchak lost his eyesight as Rashi explained above that this was caused by the smoke of the incence offered for idolatry from both wives and we know this from Bosmas' name which connotes serving incense for avoda zoro.

We see that Yehudis actually worshipped idols, just that Eisav changed her name (and Bosmas name though the Torah ignores Eisav's name for her) just to mislead his father.

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  This answer could be improved by citing Megillah 13a, that whoever denies idolatry is called a Yehudi(s).
  
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  It's the Torah who calls her Yehudis? Or does Rashi mean that Eisav renamed her Yehudis, in an attempt to fool Yitzchak? From the continuation it seems they weren't righteous.
  
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  While Rashi and others try their best to discredit the Gentiles everywhere, I wonder what levels of absurd they can reach. The very idea of Yehudim was created AFTER the destruction of the first Temple (as Mordechai is called in the Megillah), even Yehudah (Itzhok's grandson) himself wasn't called Yehuda for that reason. Don't take it personally though, I value your effort.
  
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  A proof against that claim of Rashi would be that Yehudis was her name and not the attribute, as in Mordechai HaYehudi. and the Gemmorah in Megillah about Batya HaYehudiya! So she should have been called Ohalibamah Hayedudis. So this Tirutz is totally lame (I'm sorry to say it about Rashi, but sometimes he crosses the line of credibility, in my opinion).
  
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Rashi in Bereishis 35,2 says that her real name (presumably her father called her) was Oholivomo but Eisav called her Yehudis to connote that she denied Idol worship and believed in One G-d to fool his father that he was righteous.

אהליבמה. הִיא יְהוּדִית, וְהוּא כִנָּה שְׁמָהּ יְהוּדִית לוֹמַר שֶׁהִיא כּוֹפֶרֶת בַּעֲ"זָ כְּדֵי לְהַטְעוֹת אֶת אָבִיו:

The Yerios Shlomo (Rav Shlomo Luria 16th century) explains:

כדי להטעות את אביו. וקשה ולבשמת למה לא כינה לה שם טוב כדי לרמאות את אביו והיה לו לעיל בפרשת תולדות (כו לד) להזכיר אותו שם כינוי אם היה לה וי"ל שעשו קרא לה שם אחר שאינה של עבודת אלילים אלא הכתוב קראה כך בשם עבודת אלילים לפי שכתוב לעיל אחר כך ותכהן עיניו מראות ופירש רש"י מעשנן של אלו ואם היה משנה שמה היה קשה היכן מצינו שהיו מקטרות לכך קראה לעיל בשם זה כדי להראות את זה שלכך נקראת בשמת ע"ש וכו'. [מהרש"ל]"

Bosmas (Ada her real name) Eisav's other wife had a name connoting bringing incence for idolatry, so why did Eisav not change her name to cover up her actions? The answer is that he tried calling her a different name but the Torah had to say the truth about her that she worshiped idolatry to explain how Yitzchak lost his eyesight as Rashi explained above that this was caused by the smoke of the incence offered for idolatry from both wives and we know this from Bosmas' name which connotes serving incense for avoda zoro.

We see that Yehudis actually worshipped idols, just that Eisav changed her name (and Bosmas name though the Torah ignores Eisav's name for her) just to mislead his father.

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  This answer could be improved by citing Megillah 13a, that whoever denies idolatry is called a Yehudi(s).
  
  – DonielF
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Let us continue this discussion in chat.
  
  – DonielF
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  It's the Torah who calls her Yehudis? Or does Rashi mean that Eisav renamed her Yehudis, in an attempt to fool Yitzchak? From the continuation it seems they weren't righteous.
  
  – Zev Spitz
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  While Rashi and others try their best to discredit the Gentiles everywhere, I wonder what levels of absurd they can reach. The very idea of Yehudim was created AFTER the destruction of the first Temple (as Mordechai is called in the Megillah), even Yehudah (Itzhok's grandson) himself wasn't called Yehuda for that reason. Don't take it personally though, I value your effort.
  
  – Al Berko
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  A proof against that claim of Rashi would be that Yehudis was her name and not the attribute, as in Mordechai HaYehudi. and the Gemmorah in Megillah about Batya HaYehudiya! So she should have been called Ohalibamah Hayedudis. So this Tirutz is totally lame (I'm sorry to say it about Rashi, but sometimes he crosses the line of credibility, in my opinion).
  
  – Al Berko
  yesterday
  
  

  
  
  
  

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Rashi in Bereishis 35,2 says that her real name (presumably her father called her) was Oholivomo but Eisav called her Yehudis to connote that she denied Idol worship and believed in One G-d to fool his father that he was righteous.

אהליבמה. הִיא יְהוּדִית, וְהוּא כִנָּה שְׁמָהּ יְהוּדִית לוֹמַר שֶׁהִיא כּוֹפֶרֶת בַּעֲ"זָ כְּדֵי לְהַטְעוֹת אֶת אָבִיו:

The Yerios Shlomo (Rav Shlomo Luria 16th century) explains:

כדי להטעות את אביו. וקשה ולבשמת למה לא כינה לה שם טוב כדי לרמאות את אביו והיה לו לעיל בפרשת תולדות (כו לד) להזכיר אותו שם כינוי אם היה לה וי"ל שעשו קרא לה שם אחר שאינה של עבודת אלילים אלא הכתוב קראה כך בשם עבודת אלילים לפי שכתוב לעיל אחר כך ותכהן עיניו מראות ופירש רש"י מעשנן של אלו ואם היה משנה שמה היה קשה היכן מצינו שהיו מקטרות לכך קראה לעיל בשם זה כדי להראות את זה שלכך נקראת בשמת ע"ש וכו'. [מהרש"ל]"

Bosmas (Ada her real name) Eisav's other wife had a name connoting bringing incence for idolatry, so why did Eisav not change her name to cover up her actions? The answer is that he tried calling her a different name but the Torah had to say the truth about her that she worshiped idolatry to explain how Yitzchak lost his eyesight as Rashi explained above that this was caused by the smoke of the incence offered for idolatry from both wives and we know this from Bosmas' name which connotes serving incense for avoda zoro.

We see that Yehudis actually worshipped idols, just that Eisav changed her name (and Bosmas name though the Torah ignores Eisav's name for her) just to mislead his father.

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  This answer could be improved by citing Megillah 13a, that whoever denies idolatry is called a Yehudi(s).
  
  – DonielF
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Let us continue this discussion in chat.
  
  – DonielF
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  It's the Torah who calls her Yehudis? Or does Rashi mean that Eisav renamed her Yehudis, in an attempt to fool Yitzchak? From the continuation it seems they weren't righteous.
  
  – Zev Spitz
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  While Rashi and others try their best to discredit the Gentiles everywhere, I wonder what levels of absurd they can reach. The very idea of Yehudim was created AFTER the destruction of the first Temple (as Mordechai is called in the Megillah), even Yehudah (Itzhok's grandson) himself wasn't called Yehuda for that reason. Don't take it personally though, I value your effort.
  
  – Al Berko
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  A proof against that claim of Rashi would be that Yehudis was her name and not the attribute, as in Mordechai HaYehudi. and the Gemmorah in Megillah about Batya HaYehudiya! So she should have been called Ohalibamah Hayedudis. So this Tirutz is totally lame (I'm sorry to say it about Rashi, but sometimes he crosses the line of credibility, in my opinion).
  
  – Al Berko
  yesterday
  
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
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Rashi in Bereishis 35,2 says that her real name (presumably her father called her) was Oholivomo but Eisav called her Yehudis to connote that she denied Idol worship and believed in One G-d to fool his father that he was righteous.

אהליבמה. הִיא יְהוּדִית, וְהוּא כִנָּה שְׁמָהּ יְהוּדִית לוֹמַר שֶׁהִיא כּוֹפֶרֶת בַּעֲ"זָ כְּדֵי לְהַטְעוֹת אֶת אָבִיו:

The Yerios Shlomo (Rav Shlomo Luria 16th century) explains:

כדי להטעות את אביו. וקשה ולבשמת למה לא כינה לה שם טוב כדי לרמאות את אביו והיה לו לעיל בפרשת תולדות (כו לד) להזכיר אותו שם כינוי אם היה לה וי"ל שעשו קרא לה שם אחר שאינה של עבודת אלילים אלא הכתוב קראה כך בשם עבודת אלילים לפי שכתוב לעיל אחר כך ותכהן עיניו מראות ופירש רש"י מעשנן של אלו ואם היה משנה שמה היה קשה היכן מצינו שהיו מקטרות לכך קראה לעיל בשם זה כדי להראות את זה שלכך נקראת בשמת ע"ש וכו'. [מהרש"ל]"

Bosmas (Ada her real name) Eisav's other wife had a name connoting bringing incence for idolatry, so why did Eisav not change her name to cover up her actions? The answer is that he tried calling her a different name but the Torah had to say the truth about her that she worshiped idolatry to explain how Yitzchak lost his eyesight as Rashi explained above that this was caused by the smoke of the incence offered for idolatry from both wives and we know this from Bosmas' name which connotes serving incense for avoda zoro.

We see that Yehudis actually worshipped idols, just that Eisav changed her name (and Bosmas name though the Torah ignores Eisav's name for her) just to mislead his father.

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