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What is a natural French construction for “How can you be … ?”
Analogue for English construction “the more… the more…”What is the construction used in negating with “ne pas” (but not ne..pas)?How to express “just because … doesn't mean …” in colloquial French ?How to construct not-joke in french?What is the French equivalent of the sentence construction “Do X, and Y will happen”?In French, how do you express the English construction “with someone doing …”?How to distinguish: when you can swap “de” with “en” and when you cannot?How would you combine “toutes les haches, tous les pistolets, toutes les lances”?How can I say “Not only he doesn't” with “pas seulement”?
In conversation, I said incredulously and jokingly:
Comment peux-tu être trois ans plus jeune que moi et pourtant si mature ?
This phrasing sprang to mind in the flow of conversation, but now I think back on it, I wonder if it might have been better to place the part "si mature" first, given that this is the surprising bit that should be directly and immediately emphasised by "Comment peux-tu":
Comment peux-tu être si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
or: Comment se fait-il que tu sois si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
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add a comment |
In conversation, I said incredulously and jokingly:
Comment peux-tu être trois ans plus jeune que moi et pourtant si mature ?
This phrasing sprang to mind in the flow of conversation, but now I think back on it, I wonder if it might have been better to place the part "si mature" first, given that this is the surprising bit that should be directly and immediately emphasised by "Comment peux-tu":
Comment peux-tu être si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
or: Comment se fait-il que tu sois si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
constructions
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Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
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In conversation, I said incredulously and jokingly:
Comment peux-tu être trois ans plus jeune que moi et pourtant si mature ?
This phrasing sprang to mind in the flow of conversation, but now I think back on it, I wonder if it might have been better to place the part "si mature" first, given that this is the surprising bit that should be directly and immediately emphasised by "Comment peux-tu":
Comment peux-tu être si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
or: Comment se fait-il que tu sois si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
constructions
In conversation, I said incredulously and jokingly:
Comment peux-tu être trois ans plus jeune que moi et pourtant si mature ?
This phrasing sprang to mind in the flow of conversation, but now I think back on it, I wonder if it might have been better to place the part "si mature" first, given that this is the surprising bit that should be directly and immediately emphasised by "Comment peux-tu":
Comment peux-tu être si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
or: Comment se fait-il que tu sois si mature alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
constructions
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Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
add a comment |
1
Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
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1
Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
– Laurent S.
yesterday
add a comment |
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Hard to give an objective answer to this question. All sentences sound good and equivalent to my ears (aside from the pouvoir/se faire distinctions).
I would probably tend to put the fact I learned last (what you call the surprising bit) first in the sentence, unless I want to make it sound like a deeper thought.
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
add a comment |
The last two constructions are better because they are more natural and that is so on the count that it is more logical to wonder about the unusual maturity than the age, which after all is known ; to doubt the age of someone is proper when there is an incertitude or when the age appears to be incredible. In the present case and such other cases, doing that is awkward; at least, it seems so to me. The surprising bit, as you say, should be the focus of your enonciation (at least in the present sentence).
By the way, « mature » has been an English word until recently; it is not yet in the TLFi, not in the Ac., not in the Littré but it is found in the on line Larousse; a periphrase can be used to replace it, though.
- Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
There is another problem; maturity is not considered as a quality that depends on age according to a proportionality factor that should be the same for everyone; moreover in the French culture, maturity is not something that is developed in a human being all his/her life so as to be for ever growing until death; wisdom may be considered such a caracteristic or certain skills; in the French culture it is considered that full maturity is reached once and for all at a point between youth and old age and that it remains constant for the rest of adulthood, a period from which is excluded very old age. On top of that, a mere 3 year difference is not a factor worth considering; here is the definition of the « age of maturity » or, elliptically of « maturité » ;
(TLFi) Âge de maturité; p. ell., la maturité. Période de la vie comprise entre la jeunesse et la vieillesse pendant laquelle les facultés humaines ont atteint leur ultime développement.
I believe that the idea is not expressed in the proper terms. Maybe it is preferable to consider a quality such as wisdom and not to make it so dependent on age.
3
I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
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Hard to give an objective answer to this question. All sentences sound good and equivalent to my ears (aside from the pouvoir/se faire distinctions).
I would probably tend to put the fact I learned last (what you call the surprising bit) first in the sentence, unless I want to make it sound like a deeper thought.
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
add a comment |
Hard to give an objective answer to this question. All sentences sound good and equivalent to my ears (aside from the pouvoir/se faire distinctions).
I would probably tend to put the fact I learned last (what you call the surprising bit) first in the sentence, unless I want to make it sound like a deeper thought.
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
add a comment |
Hard to give an objective answer to this question. All sentences sound good and equivalent to my ears (aside from the pouvoir/se faire distinctions).
I would probably tend to put the fact I learned last (what you call the surprising bit) first in the sentence, unless I want to make it sound like a deeper thought.
Hard to give an objective answer to this question. All sentences sound good and equivalent to my ears (aside from the pouvoir/se faire distinctions).
I would probably tend to put the fact I learned last (what you call the surprising bit) first in the sentence, unless I want to make it sound like a deeper thought.
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Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
add a comment |
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
Incidentally, in the second version, would you use other conjunctions than "alors que"?
– Con-gras-tue-les-chiens
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
No, I wouldn't.
– Stéphane Gimenez♦
2 days ago
add a comment |
The last two constructions are better because they are more natural and that is so on the count that it is more logical to wonder about the unusual maturity than the age, which after all is known ; to doubt the age of someone is proper when there is an incertitude or when the age appears to be incredible. In the present case and such other cases, doing that is awkward; at least, it seems so to me. The surprising bit, as you say, should be the focus of your enonciation (at least in the present sentence).
By the way, « mature » has been an English word until recently; it is not yet in the TLFi, not in the Ac., not in the Littré but it is found in the on line Larousse; a periphrase can be used to replace it, though.
- Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
There is another problem; maturity is not considered as a quality that depends on age according to a proportionality factor that should be the same for everyone; moreover in the French culture, maturity is not something that is developed in a human being all his/her life so as to be for ever growing until death; wisdom may be considered such a caracteristic or certain skills; in the French culture it is considered that full maturity is reached once and for all at a point between youth and old age and that it remains constant for the rest of adulthood, a period from which is excluded very old age. On top of that, a mere 3 year difference is not a factor worth considering; here is the definition of the « age of maturity » or, elliptically of « maturité » ;
(TLFi) Âge de maturité; p. ell., la maturité. Période de la vie comprise entre la jeunesse et la vieillesse pendant laquelle les facultés humaines ont atteint leur ultime développement.
I believe that the idea is not expressed in the proper terms. Maybe it is preferable to consider a quality such as wisdom and not to make it so dependent on age.
3
I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
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The last two constructions are better because they are more natural and that is so on the count that it is more logical to wonder about the unusual maturity than the age, which after all is known ; to doubt the age of someone is proper when there is an incertitude or when the age appears to be incredible. In the present case and such other cases, doing that is awkward; at least, it seems so to me. The surprising bit, as you say, should be the focus of your enonciation (at least in the present sentence).
By the way, « mature » has been an English word until recently; it is not yet in the TLFi, not in the Ac., not in the Littré but it is found in the on line Larousse; a periphrase can be used to replace it, though.
- Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
There is another problem; maturity is not considered as a quality that depends on age according to a proportionality factor that should be the same for everyone; moreover in the French culture, maturity is not something that is developed in a human being all his/her life so as to be for ever growing until death; wisdom may be considered such a caracteristic or certain skills; in the French culture it is considered that full maturity is reached once and for all at a point between youth and old age and that it remains constant for the rest of adulthood, a period from which is excluded very old age. On top of that, a mere 3 year difference is not a factor worth considering; here is the definition of the « age of maturity » or, elliptically of « maturité » ;
(TLFi) Âge de maturité; p. ell., la maturité. Période de la vie comprise entre la jeunesse et la vieillesse pendant laquelle les facultés humaines ont atteint leur ultime développement.
I believe that the idea is not expressed in the proper terms. Maybe it is preferable to consider a quality such as wisdom and not to make it so dependent on age.
3
I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
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The last two constructions are better because they are more natural and that is so on the count that it is more logical to wonder about the unusual maturity than the age, which after all is known ; to doubt the age of someone is proper when there is an incertitude or when the age appears to be incredible. In the present case and such other cases, doing that is awkward; at least, it seems so to me. The surprising bit, as you say, should be the focus of your enonciation (at least in the present sentence).
By the way, « mature » has been an English word until recently; it is not yet in the TLFi, not in the Ac., not in the Littré but it is found in the on line Larousse; a periphrase can be used to replace it, though.
- Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
There is another problem; maturity is not considered as a quality that depends on age according to a proportionality factor that should be the same for everyone; moreover in the French culture, maturity is not something that is developed in a human being all his/her life so as to be for ever growing until death; wisdom may be considered such a caracteristic or certain skills; in the French culture it is considered that full maturity is reached once and for all at a point between youth and old age and that it remains constant for the rest of adulthood, a period from which is excluded very old age. On top of that, a mere 3 year difference is not a factor worth considering; here is the definition of the « age of maturity » or, elliptically of « maturité » ;
(TLFi) Âge de maturité; p. ell., la maturité. Période de la vie comprise entre la jeunesse et la vieillesse pendant laquelle les facultés humaines ont atteint leur ultime développement.
I believe that the idea is not expressed in the proper terms. Maybe it is preferable to consider a quality such as wisdom and not to make it so dependent on age.
The last two constructions are better because they are more natural and that is so on the count that it is more logical to wonder about the unusual maturity than the age, which after all is known ; to doubt the age of someone is proper when there is an incertitude or when the age appears to be incredible. In the present case and such other cases, doing that is awkward; at least, it seems so to me. The surprising bit, as you say, should be the focus of your enonciation (at least in the present sentence).
By the way, « mature » has been an English word until recently; it is not yet in the TLFi, not in the Ac., not in the Littré but it is found in the on line Larousse; a periphrase can be used to replace it, though.
- Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité alors que tu es trois ans plus jeune que moi ?
There is another problem; maturity is not considered as a quality that depends on age according to a proportionality factor that should be the same for everyone; moreover in the French culture, maturity is not something that is developed in a human being all his/her life so as to be for ever growing until death; wisdom may be considered such a caracteristic or certain skills; in the French culture it is considered that full maturity is reached once and for all at a point between youth and old age and that it remains constant for the rest of adulthood, a period from which is excluded very old age. On top of that, a mere 3 year difference is not a factor worth considering; here is the definition of the « age of maturity » or, elliptically of « maturité » ;
(TLFi) Âge de maturité; p. ell., la maturité. Période de la vie comprise entre la jeunesse et la vieillesse pendant laquelle les facultés humaines ont atteint leur ultime développement.
I believe that the idea is not expressed in the proper terms. Maybe it is preferable to consider a quality such as wisdom and not to make it so dependent on age.
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I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
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I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
3
3
I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
I wouldn't be so strict about mature not being a French word. 'Comment peux-tu avoir tant de maturité' doesn't seem right. And your second para about maturity is an irrelevant point because the OP clearly states that it is meant as a joke. I don't see the point of applying logic to a joke.
– user17522
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 The word is not found in any of the great dictionaries nor in a translation dictionary; however, it is true that it has been introduced in the language some time ago recently : it appears in the Larousse and a translation dictionary, but I don't use them, so the error, otherwiseI would have mentioned that. If you can talk of this caracteristic in various degrees (using "si" elicits that), evidently you can say "more or less mature" ("a more mature person" is common in English) and then "beaucoup de maturité" (much maturity" is used in English). (champ 1)
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 Mature is being used in recent French but is definitely an anglicism and rarely found in written material. Immature is an anglicism too but less controversial, probably because we already have mûr for mature but no antonym for it (we use pas mûr).
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
@user17522 I do see the point of applying logic to a joke : a joke isn't a joke because you've allowed yourself to say a lot of nonsense in it but because on the contrary it makes a lot of sense and that it departs from that whole lot of sense in only one subtle part where a trick causes the usual logic to yield funny ideas.
– LPH
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
Pour le TLF note : « la rédaction du TLF est terminée depuis 1994 et la plupart des contributeurs ont quitté le laboratoire. Il n’a pas vocation à être mis à jour. Cette ressource, qui ne fait pas l’objet d’une veille lexicographique, est donc close « en l’état ». Il est donc tout à fait naturel que les définitions qui s’y trouvent ne rendent pas compte des évolutions de la société. ». Pour le Littré note que : « Il s'agit d'un dictionnaire ancien, paru à la fin du XIXe siècle. Ses vedettes comme ses définitions s'appliquent à une langue française qui a beaucoup évolué en près de 150 ans. ».
– Survenant9r7
2 days ago
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Mature is definitely an anglicism. The right translation is mûr.
– jlliagre
2 days ago
@jlliagre merci encore une fois de me rendre un peu moins bête... c'est aussi pour cela que j'adore ce site, on y apprend plein de choses même sans poser de questions...
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