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There are virtually NO high lumen lamps on the market. Old/closed posts related to this have links to VERY FEW and they are discontinued. Nothing comes up from Amazon or Google searches. Is some manufacturer sitting on a patent for LED headlamps that run on standard batteries? Energizer sells non-bike 500+ lumen strap-on-your head headlamp which runs on AAA batteries, as well as small flashlights that are very bright.



Obviously selling lamps with non replacable or proprietary integrated Lithium/Ion is great for the manufacturer because they get a full replacement purchase or a proprietary battery sale after 500-1000 recharge cycles. For disposable lamps, it's a disservice to the environment because LED lights have a much longer lifespan than pre-LED bulbs. Three standard batteries can provide 4.5V which is similar to some of the proprietary batteries.



Right now, it seems like it would be a product idea to sell an adapter to put a $15 energizer flashlight or head lamp on the handlebars.



Note to moderator: this is not a question about bike product recommendations, it's a question about an incident of patent abuse in the bike technology area. It would not be subject to changing offerings in the market.










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    Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

    – Swifty
    Apr 11 at 16:26






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    I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

    – Noah Sutherland
    Apr 11 at 16:30






  • 1





    I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

    – Criggie
    Apr 11 at 20:10






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    @ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

    – David Richerby
    Apr 12 at 9:10






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    @DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 9:31















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There are virtually NO high lumen lamps on the market. Old/closed posts related to this have links to VERY FEW and they are discontinued. Nothing comes up from Amazon or Google searches. Is some manufacturer sitting on a patent for LED headlamps that run on standard batteries? Energizer sells non-bike 500+ lumen strap-on-your head headlamp which runs on AAA batteries, as well as small flashlights that are very bright.



Obviously selling lamps with non replacable or proprietary integrated Lithium/Ion is great for the manufacturer because they get a full replacement purchase or a proprietary battery sale after 500-1000 recharge cycles. For disposable lamps, it's a disservice to the environment because LED lights have a much longer lifespan than pre-LED bulbs. Three standard batteries can provide 4.5V which is similar to some of the proprietary batteries.



Right now, it seems like it would be a product idea to sell an adapter to put a $15 energizer flashlight or head lamp on the handlebars.



Note to moderator: this is not a question about bike product recommendations, it's a question about an incident of patent abuse in the bike technology area. It would not be subject to changing offerings in the market.










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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by David Richerby, Argenti Apparatus, mattnz, RoboKaren, L.Dutch Apr 12 at 4:53


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  • 3





    Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

    – Swifty
    Apr 11 at 16:26






  • 2





    I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

    – Noah Sutherland
    Apr 11 at 16:30






  • 1





    I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

    – Criggie
    Apr 11 at 20:10






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    @ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

    – David Richerby
    Apr 12 at 9:10






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 9:31













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There are virtually NO high lumen lamps on the market. Old/closed posts related to this have links to VERY FEW and they are discontinued. Nothing comes up from Amazon or Google searches. Is some manufacturer sitting on a patent for LED headlamps that run on standard batteries? Energizer sells non-bike 500+ lumen strap-on-your head headlamp which runs on AAA batteries, as well as small flashlights that are very bright.



Obviously selling lamps with non replacable or proprietary integrated Lithium/Ion is great for the manufacturer because they get a full replacement purchase or a proprietary battery sale after 500-1000 recharge cycles. For disposable lamps, it's a disservice to the environment because LED lights have a much longer lifespan than pre-LED bulbs. Three standard batteries can provide 4.5V which is similar to some of the proprietary batteries.



Right now, it seems like it would be a product idea to sell an adapter to put a $15 energizer flashlight or head lamp on the handlebars.



Note to moderator: this is not a question about bike product recommendations, it's a question about an incident of patent abuse in the bike technology area. It would not be subject to changing offerings in the market.










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There are virtually NO high lumen lamps on the market. Old/closed posts related to this have links to VERY FEW and they are discontinued. Nothing comes up from Amazon or Google searches. Is some manufacturer sitting on a patent for LED headlamps that run on standard batteries? Energizer sells non-bike 500+ lumen strap-on-your head headlamp which runs on AAA batteries, as well as small flashlights that are very bright.



Obviously selling lamps with non replacable or proprietary integrated Lithium/Ion is great for the manufacturer because they get a full replacement purchase or a proprietary battery sale after 500-1000 recharge cycles. For disposable lamps, it's a disservice to the environment because LED lights have a much longer lifespan than pre-LED bulbs. Three standard batteries can provide 4.5V which is similar to some of the proprietary batteries.



Right now, it seems like it would be a product idea to sell an adapter to put a $15 energizer flashlight or head lamp on the handlebars.



Note to moderator: this is not a question about bike product recommendations, it's a question about an incident of patent abuse in the bike technology area. It would not be subject to changing offerings in the market.







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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by David Richerby, Argenti Apparatus, mattnz, RoboKaren, L.Dutch Apr 12 at 4:53


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  • 3





    Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

    – Swifty
    Apr 11 at 16:26






  • 2





    I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

    – Noah Sutherland
    Apr 11 at 16:30






  • 1





    I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

    – Criggie
    Apr 11 at 20:10






  • 4





    @ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

    – David Richerby
    Apr 12 at 9:10






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 9:31












  • 3





    Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

    – Swifty
    Apr 11 at 16:26






  • 2





    I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

    – Noah Sutherland
    Apr 11 at 16:30






  • 1





    I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

    – Criggie
    Apr 11 at 20:10






  • 4





    @ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

    – David Richerby
    Apr 12 at 9:10






  • 2





    @DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 9:31







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Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

– Swifty
Apr 11 at 16:26





Don’t know the answer. But I chose my front light because it was usb rechargable. I would look at market trends before conspiracy theories.

– Swifty
Apr 11 at 16:26




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I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

– Noah Sutherland
Apr 11 at 16:30





I think the biggest question would be battery life. How long do those non-bike lights run before the batteries die?

– Noah Sutherland
Apr 11 at 16:30




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I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

– Criggie
Apr 11 at 20:10





I wrote up an answer which headded off on the path of discharge rates vs total capacity per volume, which is getting quite off topic. Have a browse around electronics.stackexchange.com and everydaycarry.com/posts/6921/… and all the battery comparisons at candlepowerforums.com

– Criggie
Apr 11 at 20:10




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@ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

– David Richerby
Apr 12 at 9:10





@ojs Because it's a rant rather than a question and the closest it gets to a question is "What's your opinion about my conspiracy theory?"

– David Richerby
Apr 12 at 9:10




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@DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

– ojs
Apr 12 at 9:31





@DavidRicherby the fact-based answer is that the conspiracy theory does not make any sense because a) the products the OP wants do exist b) there are good reasons why they are not common

– ojs
Apr 12 at 9:31










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Replaceable standard batteries have several disadvantages that make them a poor choice for small portable devices like headlights.



  • For disposable batteries, they cost money and present a waste problem after use. Common alkaline cells slightly better energy density than Li-Ion cells, but the difference isn't huge.


  • Because standard battery powered devices can't be trusted to have battery protection circuits that are required for Li-Ion and Li-Po, rechargeable batteries are limited to rechargeable Ni-Mh cells that have lower energy density and are slow to recharge.


  • Standard AA/AAA batteries are fixed size and shape, and the rest of the device has to be designed around them. Built in batteries have many more sizes and shapes to choose from, and in particular Li-Po can be manufactured in almost any shape.


  • To be able to replace the batteries, you need a battery holder and a hatch. These make the case more complex to design, heavier, more expensive to manufacture and more fragile. If the device needs to be waterproof (it's really nice if headlights don't fail when it rains) the design becomes even more complex.


With these problems, it's not a surprise that AA/AAA format replaceable batteries are not very popular.



As mentioned in comments, lights that use replaceable 18650 form factor Li-Ion batteries are more common.






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    A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

    – mattnz
    Apr 11 at 23:54











  • Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:50











  • Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

    – Qwertie
    2 days ago












  • Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

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They do exist, but they're not necessarily cheap or common.



Audaxers (randoneurs) are perhaps more keen than typical cyclists on lights that can be recharged in 5 minutes in a 24 hour petrol station (as a fall-back to our dynamos) so this is a regular topic of conversation. Of course these are road lights, with a good beam pattern that makes efficient us of the light. They're not so good for trail riding but not impossible either (paired with a headtorch as they don't really illuminate overhanging branches.



I don't have such a light myself at the moment but one example that's recommended by others: The Busch + Müller Ixon IQ (premium). Hope used to make one but they discontinued it - that's evidence suggesting no patent issues, but not enough of a market.



There are a couple of alternatives:



  • There are some lights designed to be run off a 5V battery bank, as you might use to charge your phone. The Knog PWR Trail is a particularly tidy example. I'm sure they'd do very well off 4 standard cells (maybe add a series power diode if using alkalines, just to bring the voltage down a touch, if the lights run a bit warm otherwise).


  • Some of the cheap Chinese lights can take a range of batteries (e.g. they come with a holder for 3xAAA and another for 1x18650, so have a look on dealextreme/ali-express. They also sell flashlight clips which are good for putting high-brightness torches on your bars.






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    I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

    – ojs
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  • @ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

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    I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

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Replaceable standard batteries have several disadvantages that make them a poor choice for small portable devices like headlights.



  • For disposable batteries, they cost money and present a waste problem after use. Common alkaline cells slightly better energy density than Li-Ion cells, but the difference isn't huge.


  • Because standard battery powered devices can't be trusted to have battery protection circuits that are required for Li-Ion and Li-Po, rechargeable batteries are limited to rechargeable Ni-Mh cells that have lower energy density and are slow to recharge.


  • Standard AA/AAA batteries are fixed size and shape, and the rest of the device has to be designed around them. Built in batteries have many more sizes and shapes to choose from, and in particular Li-Po can be manufactured in almost any shape.


  • To be able to replace the batteries, you need a battery holder and a hatch. These make the case more complex to design, heavier, more expensive to manufacture and more fragile. If the device needs to be waterproof (it's really nice if headlights don't fail when it rains) the design becomes even more complex.


With these problems, it's not a surprise that AA/AAA format replaceable batteries are not very popular.



As mentioned in comments, lights that use replaceable 18650 form factor Li-Ion batteries are more common.






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    A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

    – mattnz
    Apr 11 at 23:54











  • Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:50











  • Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

    – Qwertie
    2 days ago












  • Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

    – ojs
    2 days ago
















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Replaceable standard batteries have several disadvantages that make them a poor choice for small portable devices like headlights.



  • For disposable batteries, they cost money and present a waste problem after use. Common alkaline cells slightly better energy density than Li-Ion cells, but the difference isn't huge.


  • Because standard battery powered devices can't be trusted to have battery protection circuits that are required for Li-Ion and Li-Po, rechargeable batteries are limited to rechargeable Ni-Mh cells that have lower energy density and are slow to recharge.


  • Standard AA/AAA batteries are fixed size and shape, and the rest of the device has to be designed around them. Built in batteries have many more sizes and shapes to choose from, and in particular Li-Po can be manufactured in almost any shape.


  • To be able to replace the batteries, you need a battery holder and a hatch. These make the case more complex to design, heavier, more expensive to manufacture and more fragile. If the device needs to be waterproof (it's really nice if headlights don't fail when it rains) the design becomes even more complex.


With these problems, it's not a surprise that AA/AAA format replaceable batteries are not very popular.



As mentioned in comments, lights that use replaceable 18650 form factor Li-Ion batteries are more common.






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

    – mattnz
    Apr 11 at 23:54











  • Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:50











  • Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

    – Qwertie
    2 days ago












  • Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

    – ojs
    2 days ago














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Replaceable standard batteries have several disadvantages that make them a poor choice for small portable devices like headlights.



  • For disposable batteries, they cost money and present a waste problem after use. Common alkaline cells slightly better energy density than Li-Ion cells, but the difference isn't huge.


  • Because standard battery powered devices can't be trusted to have battery protection circuits that are required for Li-Ion and Li-Po, rechargeable batteries are limited to rechargeable Ni-Mh cells that have lower energy density and are slow to recharge.


  • Standard AA/AAA batteries are fixed size and shape, and the rest of the device has to be designed around them. Built in batteries have many more sizes and shapes to choose from, and in particular Li-Po can be manufactured in almost any shape.


  • To be able to replace the batteries, you need a battery holder and a hatch. These make the case more complex to design, heavier, more expensive to manufacture and more fragile. If the device needs to be waterproof (it's really nice if headlights don't fail when it rains) the design becomes even more complex.


With these problems, it's not a surprise that AA/AAA format replaceable batteries are not very popular.



As mentioned in comments, lights that use replaceable 18650 form factor Li-Ion batteries are more common.






share|improve this answer















Replaceable standard batteries have several disadvantages that make them a poor choice for small portable devices like headlights.



  • For disposable batteries, they cost money and present a waste problem after use. Common alkaline cells slightly better energy density than Li-Ion cells, but the difference isn't huge.


  • Because standard battery powered devices can't be trusted to have battery protection circuits that are required for Li-Ion and Li-Po, rechargeable batteries are limited to rechargeable Ni-Mh cells that have lower energy density and are slow to recharge.


  • Standard AA/AAA batteries are fixed size and shape, and the rest of the device has to be designed around them. Built in batteries have many more sizes and shapes to choose from, and in particular Li-Po can be manufactured in almost any shape.


  • To be able to replace the batteries, you need a battery holder and a hatch. These make the case more complex to design, heavier, more expensive to manufacture and more fragile. If the device needs to be waterproof (it's really nice if headlights don't fail when it rains) the design becomes even more complex.


With these problems, it's not a surprise that AA/AAA format replaceable batteries are not very popular.



As mentioned in comments, lights that use replaceable 18650 form factor Li-Ion batteries are more common.







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    A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

    – mattnz
    Apr 11 at 23:54











  • Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:50











  • Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

    – Qwertie
    2 days ago












  • Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

    – ojs
    2 days ago













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    A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

    – mattnz
    Apr 11 at 23:54











  • Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:50











  • Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

    – Qwertie
    2 days ago












  • Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

    – ojs
    2 days ago








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A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

– mattnz
Apr 11 at 23:54





A vast majority rechargeable devices such as bicycle lights use standard size cells internally. However, the manufacturer is free to choose any size without regard for consumer availability and cost. (i.e. you can get 1⁄2AA batteries, but no manufacturer would build a bike light that uses them because they are expensive to buy and hard to find for consumers. Using a ​14250 (1⁄2AA) rechargeable is no problem.

– mattnz
Apr 11 at 23:54













Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

– ojs
Apr 12 at 0:50





Good point. My experience is mostly from watch-sized devices where standard battery just won't do.

– ojs
Apr 12 at 0:50













Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

– Qwertie
2 days ago






Some lights like the serfas ones have replaceable lithium batteries. They seem to be fairly standard apart from the connecter wire attached to them. They sell the battery with the wire on their website though

– Qwertie
2 days ago














Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

– ojs
2 days ago






Are these the one with separate light and battery pack? If so, here's no real benefit in making it non-replaceable. Anyways, I answered the question as it was written including AA/AAA format.

– ojs
2 days ago












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They do exist, but they're not necessarily cheap or common.



Audaxers (randoneurs) are perhaps more keen than typical cyclists on lights that can be recharged in 5 minutes in a 24 hour petrol station (as a fall-back to our dynamos) so this is a regular topic of conversation. Of course these are road lights, with a good beam pattern that makes efficient us of the light. They're not so good for trail riding but not impossible either (paired with a headtorch as they don't really illuminate overhanging branches.



I don't have such a light myself at the moment but one example that's recommended by others: The Busch + Müller Ixon IQ (premium). Hope used to make one but they discontinued it - that's evidence suggesting no patent issues, but not enough of a market.



There are a couple of alternatives:



  • There are some lights designed to be run off a 5V battery bank, as you might use to charge your phone. The Knog PWR Trail is a particularly tidy example. I'm sure they'd do very well off 4 standard cells (maybe add a series power diode if using alkalines, just to bring the voltage down a touch, if the lights run a bit warm otherwise).


  • Some of the cheap Chinese lights can take a range of batteries (e.g. they come with a holder for 3xAAA and another for 1x18650, so have a look on dealextreme/ali-express. They also sell flashlight clips which are good for putting high-brightness torches on your bars.






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  • 1





    I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

    – ojs
    Apr 11 at 20:07











  • @ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

    – Chris H
    Apr 11 at 21:39






  • 1





    I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:48















5














They do exist, but they're not necessarily cheap or common.



Audaxers (randoneurs) are perhaps more keen than typical cyclists on lights that can be recharged in 5 minutes in a 24 hour petrol station (as a fall-back to our dynamos) so this is a regular topic of conversation. Of course these are road lights, with a good beam pattern that makes efficient us of the light. They're not so good for trail riding but not impossible either (paired with a headtorch as they don't really illuminate overhanging branches.



I don't have such a light myself at the moment but one example that's recommended by others: The Busch + Müller Ixon IQ (premium). Hope used to make one but they discontinued it - that's evidence suggesting no patent issues, but not enough of a market.



There are a couple of alternatives:



  • There are some lights designed to be run off a 5V battery bank, as you might use to charge your phone. The Knog PWR Trail is a particularly tidy example. I'm sure they'd do very well off 4 standard cells (maybe add a series power diode if using alkalines, just to bring the voltage down a touch, if the lights run a bit warm otherwise).


  • Some of the cheap Chinese lights can take a range of batteries (e.g. they come with a holder for 3xAAA and another for 1x18650, so have a look on dealextreme/ali-express. They also sell flashlight clips which are good for putting high-brightness torches on your bars.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1





    I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

    – ojs
    Apr 11 at 20:07











  • @ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

    – Chris H
    Apr 11 at 21:39






  • 1





    I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:48













5












5








5







They do exist, but they're not necessarily cheap or common.



Audaxers (randoneurs) are perhaps more keen than typical cyclists on lights that can be recharged in 5 minutes in a 24 hour petrol station (as a fall-back to our dynamos) so this is a regular topic of conversation. Of course these are road lights, with a good beam pattern that makes efficient us of the light. They're not so good for trail riding but not impossible either (paired with a headtorch as they don't really illuminate overhanging branches.



I don't have such a light myself at the moment but one example that's recommended by others: The Busch + Müller Ixon IQ (premium). Hope used to make one but they discontinued it - that's evidence suggesting no patent issues, but not enough of a market.



There are a couple of alternatives:



  • There are some lights designed to be run off a 5V battery bank, as you might use to charge your phone. The Knog PWR Trail is a particularly tidy example. I'm sure they'd do very well off 4 standard cells (maybe add a series power diode if using alkalines, just to bring the voltage down a touch, if the lights run a bit warm otherwise).


  • Some of the cheap Chinese lights can take a range of batteries (e.g. they come with a holder for 3xAAA and another for 1x18650, so have a look on dealextreme/ali-express. They also sell flashlight clips which are good for putting high-brightness torches on your bars.






share|improve this answer













They do exist, but they're not necessarily cheap or common.



Audaxers (randoneurs) are perhaps more keen than typical cyclists on lights that can be recharged in 5 minutes in a 24 hour petrol station (as a fall-back to our dynamos) so this is a regular topic of conversation. Of course these are road lights, with a good beam pattern that makes efficient us of the light. They're not so good for trail riding but not impossible either (paired with a headtorch as they don't really illuminate overhanging branches.



I don't have such a light myself at the moment but one example that's recommended by others: The Busch + Müller Ixon IQ (premium). Hope used to make one but they discontinued it - that's evidence suggesting no patent issues, but not enough of a market.



There are a couple of alternatives:



  • There are some lights designed to be run off a 5V battery bank, as you might use to charge your phone. The Knog PWR Trail is a particularly tidy example. I'm sure they'd do very well off 4 standard cells (maybe add a series power diode if using alkalines, just to bring the voltage down a touch, if the lights run a bit warm otherwise).


  • Some of the cheap Chinese lights can take a range of batteries (e.g. they come with a holder for 3xAAA and another for 1x18650, so have a look on dealextreme/ali-express. They also sell flashlight clips which are good for putting high-brightness torches on your bars.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered Apr 11 at 19:57









Chris HChris H

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  • 1





    I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

    – ojs
    Apr 11 at 20:07











  • @ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

    – Chris H
    Apr 11 at 21:39






  • 1





    I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:48












  • 1





    I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

    – ojs
    Apr 11 at 20:07











  • @ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

    – Chris H
    Apr 11 at 21:39






  • 1





    I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

    – ojs
    Apr 12 at 0:48







1




1





I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

– ojs
Apr 11 at 20:07





I have a Ixon IQ and wouldn't recommend one unless you really need replaceable batteries. Compared to slightly dimmer Ixon Core it is huge and heavy, and even though battery life is advertised to be better, it switches to low power mode sooner. The reason why I bought one is that the Core I had fell to asphalt and broke, and IQ has stronger handlebar mount.

– ojs
Apr 11 at 20:07













@ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

– Chris H
Apr 11 at 21:39





@ojs, fair enough. I use USB rechargeable or big trail lights to back up my dynamo setup, but for those that want to be able to buy batteries it does seem to be the best quality option. Do you use yours on NiMH or alkaline? I've had devices that turn off surprisingly soon on the former because of the different discharge Prudhoe

– Chris H
Apr 11 at 21:39




1




1





I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

– ojs
Apr 12 at 0:48





I've been using the NiMHs that came with the light. I'd guess the advertised duration would apply to them. I have needed the lights only in late autumn, it might be that the cold affects NiMH more than Li-Ion.

– ojs
Apr 12 at 0:48



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