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Is this toilet slogan correct usage of the English language?
What is correct in this case, “probable” or “probably”?Are 'effectually' and 'effectively' completely interchangable?He began to breathe deep / deeplyAdverbs + Present PerfectNo adverb of controlled?Past Participle as AdverbWhen should we use an adjective instead of an adverb after verbs(main verb)?adjective or adverb before ing-form?Single word request for a person who speaks by even considering a potential rebuttalWhat part of speech is 'better' in the following sentence?
Our company has signs at the toilet that read
Please leave the toilet properly
Is that correct? My intuition would be that "properly" as an adverb would reference the action "leave" and not the thing "toilet." So that wouldn't make sense, right?
If it is indeed wrong - what would be a better way of phrasing it?
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Our company has signs at the toilet that read
Please leave the toilet properly
Is that correct? My intuition would be that "properly" as an adverb would reference the action "leave" and not the thing "toilet." So that wouldn't make sense, right?
If it is indeed wrong - what would be a better way of phrasing it?
adverbs
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Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
3
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
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Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
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@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
– Ty Hayes
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Our company has signs at the toilet that read
Please leave the toilet properly
Is that correct? My intuition would be that "properly" as an adverb would reference the action "leave" and not the thing "toilet." So that wouldn't make sense, right?
If it is indeed wrong - what would be a better way of phrasing it?
adverbs
Our company has signs at the toilet that read
Please leave the toilet properly
Is that correct? My intuition would be that "properly" as an adverb would reference the action "leave" and not the thing "toilet." So that wouldn't make sense, right?
If it is indeed wrong - what would be a better way of phrasing it?
adverbs
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Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
57
It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
3
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
6
Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
6
@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
– Ty Hayes
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Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
57
It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
3
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
6
Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
6
@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
– Ty Hayes
15 hours ago
5
5
Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
57
57
It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
3
3
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
6
6
Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
6
6
@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
– Ty Hayes
15 hours ago
@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
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I read this sentence as: Please exit from the toilet in the correct manner. Don't do any silly walks. Don't try to walk through the door before you've opened it. Don't scream, "She's gonna blow!" as you charge out of the stall.
It's a grammatical English sentence and even has a real meaning, but probably not the meaning the sign writers intended.
Presumably they meant something like please leave the toilet in the proper condition. You could arguably write this as "please leave the toilet proper," in the same way that you'd write "please leave the toilet clean." We do not say, "Please leave the toilet cleanly," because, as you say, the adverb cleanly modifies the verb leave, not the noun toilet.
Still, I don't know what the "proper condition" of a toilet is, so leave the toilet proper wouldn't make sense to me. Perhaps they mean leave the toilet clean and with the seat and lid down and make sure to flush. If so, that's not coming through with that terse message.
And even if the "proper condition" were unambiguous, and if they did mean leave the toilet proper, as has been pointed out in the comments, it would be more natural to use "leave the toilet proper1" to mean step away from the toilet (the apparatus) or else, exit the formal toilet area (and perhaps enter the makeshift toilet)
1:
proper
strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea the city proper
// the city proper
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proper
4
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
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Is your company in a place with a lot of French speakers? Looks like a mistranslation of propre (=clean).
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Yes, it is wrong. As you can tell from the other answers, it is a bit puzzling.
The author may have been trying for one of these effects:
People should put their clothing back together properly before leaving the toilet area. So a correct way of phrasing this would be; "Please adjust your clothing before leaving".
People should leave the room, and especially the toilet itself clean and tidy. This could be expressed as: "Please leave the toilet clean and tidy" or "Please leave the toilet as you would wish to find it."
This is one place where liberal use of smileys is appropriate.
1
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
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I read this sentence as: Please exit from the toilet in the correct manner. Don't do any silly walks. Don't try to walk through the door before you've opened it. Don't scream, "She's gonna blow!" as you charge out of the stall.
It's a grammatical English sentence and even has a real meaning, but probably not the meaning the sign writers intended.
Presumably they meant something like please leave the toilet in the proper condition. You could arguably write this as "please leave the toilet proper," in the same way that you'd write "please leave the toilet clean." We do not say, "Please leave the toilet cleanly," because, as you say, the adverb cleanly modifies the verb leave, not the noun toilet.
Still, I don't know what the "proper condition" of a toilet is, so leave the toilet proper wouldn't make sense to me. Perhaps they mean leave the toilet clean and with the seat and lid down and make sure to flush. If so, that's not coming through with that terse message.
And even if the "proper condition" were unambiguous, and if they did mean leave the toilet proper, as has been pointed out in the comments, it would be more natural to use "leave the toilet proper1" to mean step away from the toilet (the apparatus) or else, exit the formal toilet area (and perhaps enter the makeshift toilet)
1:
proper
strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea the city proper
// the city proper
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proper
4
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
|
show 7 more comments
I read this sentence as: Please exit from the toilet in the correct manner. Don't do any silly walks. Don't try to walk through the door before you've opened it. Don't scream, "She's gonna blow!" as you charge out of the stall.
It's a grammatical English sentence and even has a real meaning, but probably not the meaning the sign writers intended.
Presumably they meant something like please leave the toilet in the proper condition. You could arguably write this as "please leave the toilet proper," in the same way that you'd write "please leave the toilet clean." We do not say, "Please leave the toilet cleanly," because, as you say, the adverb cleanly modifies the verb leave, not the noun toilet.
Still, I don't know what the "proper condition" of a toilet is, so leave the toilet proper wouldn't make sense to me. Perhaps they mean leave the toilet clean and with the seat and lid down and make sure to flush. If so, that's not coming through with that terse message.
And even if the "proper condition" were unambiguous, and if they did mean leave the toilet proper, as has been pointed out in the comments, it would be more natural to use "leave the toilet proper1" to mean step away from the toilet (the apparatus) or else, exit the formal toilet area (and perhaps enter the makeshift toilet)
1:
proper
strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea the city proper
// the city proper
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proper
4
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
|
show 7 more comments
I read this sentence as: Please exit from the toilet in the correct manner. Don't do any silly walks. Don't try to walk through the door before you've opened it. Don't scream, "She's gonna blow!" as you charge out of the stall.
It's a grammatical English sentence and even has a real meaning, but probably not the meaning the sign writers intended.
Presumably they meant something like please leave the toilet in the proper condition. You could arguably write this as "please leave the toilet proper," in the same way that you'd write "please leave the toilet clean." We do not say, "Please leave the toilet cleanly," because, as you say, the adverb cleanly modifies the verb leave, not the noun toilet.
Still, I don't know what the "proper condition" of a toilet is, so leave the toilet proper wouldn't make sense to me. Perhaps they mean leave the toilet clean and with the seat and lid down and make sure to flush. If so, that's not coming through with that terse message.
And even if the "proper condition" were unambiguous, and if they did mean leave the toilet proper, as has been pointed out in the comments, it would be more natural to use "leave the toilet proper1" to mean step away from the toilet (the apparatus) or else, exit the formal toilet area (and perhaps enter the makeshift toilet)
1:
proper
strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea the city proper
// the city proper
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proper
I read this sentence as: Please exit from the toilet in the correct manner. Don't do any silly walks. Don't try to walk through the door before you've opened it. Don't scream, "She's gonna blow!" as you charge out of the stall.
It's a grammatical English sentence and even has a real meaning, but probably not the meaning the sign writers intended.
Presumably they meant something like please leave the toilet in the proper condition. You could arguably write this as "please leave the toilet proper," in the same way that you'd write "please leave the toilet clean." We do not say, "Please leave the toilet cleanly," because, as you say, the adverb cleanly modifies the verb leave, not the noun toilet.
Still, I don't know what the "proper condition" of a toilet is, so leave the toilet proper wouldn't make sense to me. Perhaps they mean leave the toilet clean and with the seat and lid down and make sure to flush. If so, that's not coming through with that terse message.
And even if the "proper condition" were unambiguous, and if they did mean leave the toilet proper, as has been pointed out in the comments, it would be more natural to use "leave the toilet proper1" to mean step away from the toilet (the apparatus) or else, exit the formal toilet area (and perhaps enter the makeshift toilet)
1:
proper
strictly limited to a specified thing, place, or idea the city proper
// the city proper
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proper
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When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
|
show 7 more comments
4
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
4
4
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
When I was a boy, British public toilets often had a notice by the door saying "Gentlemen: please adjust your dress". It did not suppose that men wore frocks; it was a reminder to do up one's fly.
– Michael Harvey
yesterday
49
49
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
"Please leave the toilet proper" could be interpreted as "Please leave the place formally designated as the toilet."
– TKK
yesterday
10
10
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
@TKK The opposite, surely. Imagine a huge building whose only function is to be a toilet block but which contains grand corridors, waiting areas and so on. The whole thing would formally designated as "the toilet[s]", but "the toilet proper" would refer to the actual lavatory.
– David Richerby
yesterday
9
9
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
I'm having a bad day. I really needed that first paragraph. Thanks and +1.
– cobaltduck
yesterday
4
4
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
Thanks for the 'silly walks'..
– TaW
yesterday
|
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Is your company in a place with a lot of French speakers? Looks like a mistranslation of propre (=clean).
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Is your company in a place with a lot of French speakers? Looks like a mistranslation of propre (=clean).
add a comment |
Is your company in a place with a lot of French speakers? Looks like a mistranslation of propre (=clean).
Is your company in a place with a lot of French speakers? Looks like a mistranslation of propre (=clean).
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Yes, it is wrong. As you can tell from the other answers, it is a bit puzzling.
The author may have been trying for one of these effects:
People should put their clothing back together properly before leaving the toilet area. So a correct way of phrasing this would be; "Please adjust your clothing before leaving".
People should leave the room, and especially the toilet itself clean and tidy. This could be expressed as: "Please leave the toilet clean and tidy" or "Please leave the toilet as you would wish to find it."
This is one place where liberal use of smileys is appropriate.
1
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it is wrong. As you can tell from the other answers, it is a bit puzzling.
The author may have been trying for one of these effects:
People should put their clothing back together properly before leaving the toilet area. So a correct way of phrasing this would be; "Please adjust your clothing before leaving".
People should leave the room, and especially the toilet itself clean and tidy. This could be expressed as: "Please leave the toilet clean and tidy" or "Please leave the toilet as you would wish to find it."
This is one place where liberal use of smileys is appropriate.
1
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it is wrong. As you can tell from the other answers, it is a bit puzzling.
The author may have been trying for one of these effects:
People should put their clothing back together properly before leaving the toilet area. So a correct way of phrasing this would be; "Please adjust your clothing before leaving".
People should leave the room, and especially the toilet itself clean and tidy. This could be expressed as: "Please leave the toilet clean and tidy" or "Please leave the toilet as you would wish to find it."
This is one place where liberal use of smileys is appropriate.
Yes, it is wrong. As you can tell from the other answers, it is a bit puzzling.
The author may have been trying for one of these effects:
People should put their clothing back together properly before leaving the toilet area. So a correct way of phrasing this would be; "Please adjust your clothing before leaving".
People should leave the room, and especially the toilet itself clean and tidy. This could be expressed as: "Please leave the toilet clean and tidy" or "Please leave the toilet as you would wish to find it."
This is one place where liberal use of smileys is appropriate.
answered 21 hours ago
RedSonjaRedSonja
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707513
1
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
1
1
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
I'd agree that the notion was probably #2. Not sure where sign was. It might mean "Please leave the bathroom clean and tidy."
– MaxW
5 hours ago
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Please don't use code blocks for things that aren't code. Thanks!
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
57
It's syntactically valid and semantically meaningful English. It means leave the toilet through the door instead of crawling out the window.
– Hot Licks
yesterday
3
I think the confusion here might be the use of the word "toilet". In US usage, the word refers strictly to the commode, i.e. the thing you sit on. In UK and other places, it refers to the entire room where the commode is (and often a sink). This is further distinct from "bathroom", which would include a bath or shower as well. (These are often the same room in the US, but usually separate in Europe.)
– Darrel Hoffman
yesterday
6
Seems like a better question for ell.stackexchange.com
– BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft
yesterday
6
@TonyK Code blocks are not just another text format, they are semantic markup that indicates to the browser that the content within is code. Assistive technologies such as screen readers will treat code blocks differently to text, and potentially make your question unintelligible to people accessing the page using such technologies
– Ty Hayes
15 hours ago