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Determine voltage drop over 10G resistors with cheap multimeter


How to measure Voltage & Current with a single multimeter, Simultaneously?Why does a multimeter put more voltage to measure a smaller resistance?Multimeter input impedance and its effect on the measurement of charged capacitor's voltage?How measure the voltage over a large resistance?LED Voltage Drop ConfusionCorrect way to choose resistors for loadCan I measure the relative output gain of a power amplifier with a multimeter?How to determine accuracy of multimeter?Is it really problem if 0,3 voltage more than required applied in digital multimeter?Measuring a small resistance, ~0.001 ohm













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I have two 10G resistors connected in series with a 3V battery. I want to determine the voltage drop across one of them, which of course is 1.5V. When I use my multimeter to check the voltage drop, it reads ~3mV, which I believe is because it has a 10M impedance so the circuit is really one 10G resistor in series with (a 10G resistor and a 10M resistor in parallel), so the voltage drop when the multimeter is part of the circuit is 2.99 mV.





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



How can I measure the voltage drop? Is there something I can build so that that I can adapt the multimeter impedance to be high enough that it won't affect the circuit as much?










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    Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
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    – Spehro Pefhany
    13 hours ago






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    Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
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    – Huisman
    13 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    12 hours ago







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    12 hours ago















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$begingroup$


I have two 10G resistors connected in series with a 3V battery. I want to determine the voltage drop across one of them, which of course is 1.5V. When I use my multimeter to check the voltage drop, it reads ~3mV, which I believe is because it has a 10M impedance so the circuit is really one 10G resistor in series with (a 10G resistor and a 10M resistor in parallel), so the voltage drop when the multimeter is part of the circuit is 2.99 mV.





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



How can I measure the voltage drop? Is there something I can build so that that I can adapt the multimeter impedance to be high enough that it won't affect the circuit as much?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
    $endgroup$
    – Spehro Pefhany
    13 hours ago






  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    13 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    12 hours ago







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    12 hours ago













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$begingroup$


I have two 10G resistors connected in series with a 3V battery. I want to determine the voltage drop across one of them, which of course is 1.5V. When I use my multimeter to check the voltage drop, it reads ~3mV, which I believe is because it has a 10M impedance so the circuit is really one 10G resistor in series with (a 10G resistor and a 10M resistor in parallel), so the voltage drop when the multimeter is part of the circuit is 2.99 mV.





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



How can I measure the voltage drop? Is there something I can build so that that I can adapt the multimeter impedance to be high enough that it won't affect the circuit as much?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




I have two 10G resistors connected in series with a 3V battery. I want to determine the voltage drop across one of them, which of course is 1.5V. When I use my multimeter to check the voltage drop, it reads ~3mV, which I believe is because it has a 10M impedance so the circuit is really one 10G resistor in series with (a 10G resistor and a 10M resistor in parallel), so the voltage drop when the multimeter is part of the circuit is 2.99 mV.





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



How can I measure the voltage drop? Is there something I can build so that that I can adapt the multimeter impedance to be high enough that it won't affect the circuit as much?







multimeter voltage-measurement






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  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
    $endgroup$
    – Spehro Pefhany
    13 hours ago






  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    13 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    12 hours ago







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    12 hours ago












  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
    $endgroup$
    – Spehro Pefhany
    13 hours ago






  • 6




    $begingroup$
    Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    13 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
    $endgroup$
    – Huisman
    12 hours ago







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
    $endgroup$
    – W5VO
    12 hours ago







6




6




$begingroup$
Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
$endgroup$
– Spehro Pefhany
13 hours ago




$begingroup$
Look up a 1993 ED article "What's All This Femtoampere Stuff, Anyhow?" by the late Robert Pease.
$endgroup$
– Spehro Pefhany
13 hours ago




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6




$begingroup$
Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
$endgroup$
– Huisman
13 hours ago




$begingroup$
Why would you need such a circuit if I may ask? Any load attached will casue the same effect as the multimeter.
$endgroup$
– Huisman
13 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
$endgroup$
– John Smith
12 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Huisman for trying to build ammeters that can go to very low current. I want very low current sources, then to try to measure them. If I'm dividing the voltage down first before passing through a 10G resistor (or higher) it's especially helpful to be able to measure that the actual voltage drop is what I expect it to be.
$endgroup$
– John Smith
12 hours ago












$begingroup$
Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
$endgroup$
– Huisman
12 hours ago





$begingroup$
Could you please draw a schematic (by pressing Schematic button in editor in your original post) where the ammeter is located? I think you'd better divide the voltage by e.g. 10k pot and connect its branch with a 10G resistor to the ammeter.
$endgroup$
– Huisman
12 hours ago





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2




$begingroup$
As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
$endgroup$
– W5VO
12 hours ago




$begingroup$
As drawn, it looks like the divider will be passing 150pA. There are definitely more things that can sneak up on you at that point to mess with your measurement. Maybe you don't need femto amp precision, but seeing what they do to ensure fA accuracy is probably a good step.
$endgroup$
– W5VO
12 hours ago










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Do what the ancients did ==== use a Wheatstone bridge. Like this





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



Rotate the 10,000 ohm potentiometer for ZERO reading.



Then measure the pot voltage (and compensate for the DVM loading)






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    $begingroup$
    Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago


















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sure, a voltage follower built with a FET op-amp that has extremely low input bias current.



https://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Amplifier-ICs/Operational-Amplifiers-Op-Amps/_/N-4h00g?Rl=4h00gZgjdhpmZ1yvbz5oZ1yve6dbSGT






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    Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago


















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$begingroup$

If you want a tunable low current source, I suggest using something like the following circuit.

The potmeter 'adjusts' the voltage and so the current through the DIY ammeter.

In this circuit, the voltmeter hardly influences the voltage measurement and the DIY ammeter hardly influences the current measurement.





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab






share|improve this answer









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    $begingroup$

    Do what the ancients did ==== use a Wheatstone bridge. Like this





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Rotate the 10,000 ohm potentiometer for ZERO reading.



    Then measure the pot voltage (and compensate for the DVM loading)






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago















    23












    $begingroup$

    Do what the ancients did ==== use a Wheatstone bridge. Like this





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Rotate the 10,000 ohm potentiometer for ZERO reading.



    Then measure the pot voltage (and compensate for the DVM loading)






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago













    23












    23








    23





    $begingroup$

    Do what the ancients did ==== use a Wheatstone bridge. Like this





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Rotate the 10,000 ohm potentiometer for ZERO reading.



    Then measure the pot voltage (and compensate for the DVM loading)






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Do what the ancients did ==== use a Wheatstone bridge. Like this





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    Rotate the 10,000 ohm potentiometer for ZERO reading.



    Then measure the pot voltage (and compensate for the DVM loading)







    share|improve this answer












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      $begingroup$
      Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago












    • 1




      $begingroup$
      Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago







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    $begingroup$
    Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Clever answer, so +1. To calibrate, replacing R3 with another set of 10G resistors should allow the DVM to be set to zero.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago













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    sure, a voltage follower built with a FET op-amp that has extremely low input bias current.



    https://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Amplifier-ICs/Operational-Amplifiers-Op-Amps/_/N-4h00g?Rl=4h00gZgjdhpmZ1yvbz5oZ1yve6dbSGT






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    • $begingroup$
      Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
      $endgroup$
      – John Smith
      12 hours ago











    • $begingroup$
      CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago















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    $begingroup$

    sure, a voltage follower built with a FET op-amp that has extremely low input bias current.



    https://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Amplifier-ICs/Operational-Amplifiers-Op-Amps/_/N-4h00g?Rl=4h00gZgjdhpmZ1yvbz5oZ1yve6dbSGT






    share|improve this answer











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    • $begingroup$
      Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
      $endgroup$
      – John Smith
      12 hours ago











    • $begingroup$
      CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago













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    2





    $begingroup$

    sure, a voltage follower built with a FET op-amp that has extremely low input bias current.



    https://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Amplifier-ICs/Operational-Amplifiers-Op-Amps/_/N-4h00g?Rl=4h00gZgjdhpmZ1yvbz5oZ1yve6dbSGT






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    sure, a voltage follower built with a FET op-amp that has extremely low input bias current.



    https://www.mouser.co.uk/Semiconductors/Amplifier-ICs/Operational-Amplifiers-Op-Amps/_/N-4h00g?Rl=4h00gZgjdhpmZ1yvbz5oZ1yve6dbSGT







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    • $begingroup$
      Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
      $endgroup$
      – John Smith
      12 hours ago











    • $begingroup$
      CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago
















    • $begingroup$
      Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
      $endgroup$
      – John Smith
      12 hours ago











    • $begingroup$
      CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
      $endgroup$
      – Sparky256
      8 hours ago















    $begingroup$
    Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    Is it enough to use a single low input bias current follower (i.e. only use it for one of the multimeter probes with the 2nd directly probing the circuit under test) or would I need 2?
    $endgroup$
    – John Smith
    12 hours ago













    $begingroup$
    CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    CMOS op-amps with fempto-amp inputs are ideal for these type of devices.
    $endgroup$
    – Sparky256
    8 hours ago











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    $begingroup$

    If you want a tunable low current source, I suggest using something like the following circuit.

    The potmeter 'adjusts' the voltage and so the current through the DIY ammeter.

    In this circuit, the voltmeter hardly influences the voltage measurement and the DIY ammeter hardly influences the current measurement.





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$

















      0












      $begingroup$

      If you want a tunable low current source, I suggest using something like the following circuit.

      The potmeter 'adjusts' the voltage and so the current through the DIY ammeter.

      In this circuit, the voltmeter hardly influences the voltage measurement and the DIY ammeter hardly influences the current measurement.





      schematic





      simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab






      share|improve this answer









      $endgroup$















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        $begingroup$

        If you want a tunable low current source, I suggest using something like the following circuit.

        The potmeter 'adjusts' the voltage and so the current through the DIY ammeter.

        In this circuit, the voltmeter hardly influences the voltage measurement and the DIY ammeter hardly influences the current measurement.





        schematic





        simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab






        share|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        If you want a tunable low current source, I suggest using something like the following circuit.

        The potmeter 'adjusts' the voltage and so the current through the DIY ammeter.

        In this circuit, the voltmeter hardly influences the voltage measurement and the DIY ammeter hardly influences the current measurement.





        schematic





        simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab







        share|improve this answer












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