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According to man ps:



 -p pidlist
Select by PID. This selects the processes whose process ID
numbers appear in pidlist. Identical to p and --pid.

-q pidlist
Select by PID (quick mode). This selects the processes
whose process ID numbers appear in pidlist. With this
option ps reads the necessary info only for the pids listed
in the pidlist and doesn't apply additional filtering
rules. The order of pids is unsorted and preserved. No
additional selection options, sorting and forest type
listings are allowed in this mode. Identical to q and
--quick-pid.


I see that -q is considerably faster than -p, taking at most one quarter the time to produce an identical listing.



For example:



$ time ps -fq "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.003s
user 0m0.001s
sys 0m0.002s
$ time ps -fp "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.013s
user 0m0.003s
sys 0m0.009s
$


On another system, I observed ps -q to take less than a tenth the time of ps -p.



However, I'm not using a forest-type listing, and I've only passed a single PID so the sorting isn't taking any time (and sorting should be negligible anyway for moderately short PID lists). There are no additional filtering rules in my command.



What all is ps -p doing that ps -q is not?










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  • After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

    – K7AAY
    Dec 5 '18 at 0:53






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    @K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

    – Wildcard
    Dec 5 '18 at 1:38

















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According to man ps:



 -p pidlist
Select by PID. This selects the processes whose process ID
numbers appear in pidlist. Identical to p and --pid.

-q pidlist
Select by PID (quick mode). This selects the processes
whose process ID numbers appear in pidlist. With this
option ps reads the necessary info only for the pids listed
in the pidlist and doesn't apply additional filtering
rules. The order of pids is unsorted and preserved. No
additional selection options, sorting and forest type
listings are allowed in this mode. Identical to q and
--quick-pid.


I see that -q is considerably faster than -p, taking at most one quarter the time to produce an identical listing.



For example:



$ time ps -fq "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.003s
user 0m0.001s
sys 0m0.002s
$ time ps -fp "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.013s
user 0m0.003s
sys 0m0.009s
$


On another system, I observed ps -q to take less than a tenth the time of ps -p.



However, I'm not using a forest-type listing, and I've only passed a single PID so the sorting isn't taking any time (and sorting should be negligible anyway for moderately short PID lists). There are no additional filtering rules in my command.



What all is ps -p doing that ps -q is not?










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  • After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

    – K7AAY
    Dec 5 '18 at 0:53






  • 1





    @K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

    – Wildcard
    Dec 5 '18 at 1:38













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According to man ps:



 -p pidlist
Select by PID. This selects the processes whose process ID
numbers appear in pidlist. Identical to p and --pid.

-q pidlist
Select by PID (quick mode). This selects the processes
whose process ID numbers appear in pidlist. With this
option ps reads the necessary info only for the pids listed
in the pidlist and doesn't apply additional filtering
rules. The order of pids is unsorted and preserved. No
additional selection options, sorting and forest type
listings are allowed in this mode. Identical to q and
--quick-pid.


I see that -q is considerably faster than -p, taking at most one quarter the time to produce an identical listing.



For example:



$ time ps -fq "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.003s
user 0m0.001s
sys 0m0.002s
$ time ps -fp "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.013s
user 0m0.003s
sys 0m0.009s
$


On another system, I observed ps -q to take less than a tenth the time of ps -p.



However, I'm not using a forest-type listing, and I've only passed a single PID so the sorting isn't taking any time (and sorting should be negligible anyway for moderately short PID lists). There are no additional filtering rules in my command.



What all is ps -p doing that ps -q is not?










share|improve this question














According to man ps:



 -p pidlist
Select by PID. This selects the processes whose process ID
numbers appear in pidlist. Identical to p and --pid.

-q pidlist
Select by PID (quick mode). This selects the processes
whose process ID numbers appear in pidlist. With this
option ps reads the necessary info only for the pids listed
in the pidlist and doesn't apply additional filtering
rules. The order of pids is unsorted and preserved. No
additional selection options, sorting and forest type
listings are allowed in this mode. Identical to q and
--quick-pid.


I see that -q is considerably faster than -p, taking at most one quarter the time to produce an identical listing.



For example:



$ time ps -fq "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.003s
user 0m0.001s
sys 0m0.002s
$ time ps -fp "$$"
UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
vagrant 8115 3337 0 23:05 pts/0 00:00:00 bash

real 0m0.013s
user 0m0.003s
sys 0m0.009s
$


On another system, I observed ps -q to take less than a tenth the time of ps -p.



However, I'm not using a forest-type listing, and I've only passed a single PID so the sorting isn't taking any time (and sorting should be negligible anyway for moderately short PID lists). There are no additional filtering rules in my command.



What all is ps -p doing that ps -q is not?







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  • After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

    – K7AAY
    Dec 5 '18 at 0:53






  • 1





    @K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

    – Wildcard
    Dec 5 '18 at 1:38

















  • After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

    – K7AAY
    Dec 5 '18 at 0:53






  • 1





    @K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

    – Wildcard
    Dec 5 '18 at 1:38
















After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

– K7AAY
Dec 5 '18 at 0:53





After having looked at multiple man pages such as computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/performance_tools/man/ps.txt linuxcommand.org/lc3_man_pages/ps1.html ss64.com/bash/ps.html and docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/816-0210/6m6nb7mie/index.html I fail to find a -q option.

– K7AAY
Dec 5 '18 at 0:53




1




1





@K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

– Wildcard
Dec 5 '18 at 1:38





@K7AAY, interesting. I see that on RHEL 6.2, in package procps-3.2.8-21.el6, there is no such flag. But on RHEL 6.7, in the newer version of the package procps-3.2.8-33.el6, it's present as excerpted above. Looks like the man pages on the internet are fairly out of date.

– Wildcard
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What I can answer exactly is: What exactly ps -q PID does not do?



  • Sort and/or select a tree from the process list given.

From add -q/q/--quick-pid option with bolding added:




This commit introduces a new option q/-q/--quick-pid to the 'ps' command. The option does a similar job to the p/-p/--pid option (i.e. selection of PIDs listed in the comma separated list that follows the option), but the new option is optimized for speed.
In cases where users only need to specify a list of PIDs to be shown and don't need other selection options, forest type output and sorting options, the new option is recommended as it decreases the initial processing delay by avoiding reading the necessary information from all the processes running on the system and by simplifying the internal filtering logic.




The option is designed to be fast.






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  • mysterious drive-by down voter...I don’t see anything wrong with this answer at all, thanks for digging up the commit and I’ve upvoted.

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  • Yes, I removed the comment(s). Yes, a random down-voter (probably). Thanks!. @Wildcard

    – Isaac
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I confirmed using strace that ps -fp PID reads information about every process on the system, and ps -fq PID only reads information about one.



This can be confirmed using the following commands:



sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.p.out ps -fp $$
sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.q.out ps -fq $$
ps -e | wc -l
grep -c '"/proc/[0-9]*"' /tmp/strace.p,q.out





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  • Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

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What I can answer exactly is: What exactly ps -q PID does not do?



  • Sort and/or select a tree from the process list given.

From add -q/q/--quick-pid option with bolding added:




This commit introduces a new option q/-q/--quick-pid to the 'ps' command. The option does a similar job to the p/-p/--pid option (i.e. selection of PIDs listed in the comma separated list that follows the option), but the new option is optimized for speed.
In cases where users only need to specify a list of PIDs to be shown and don't need other selection options, forest type output and sorting options, the new option is recommended as it decreases the initial processing delay by avoiding reading the necessary information from all the processes running on the system and by simplifying the internal filtering logic.




The option is designed to be fast.






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  • mysterious drive-by down voter...I don’t see anything wrong with this answer at all, thanks for digging up the commit and I’ve upvoted.

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What I can answer exactly is: What exactly ps -q PID does not do?



  • Sort and/or select a tree from the process list given.

From add -q/q/--quick-pid option with bolding added:




This commit introduces a new option q/-q/--quick-pid to the 'ps' command. The option does a similar job to the p/-p/--pid option (i.e. selection of PIDs listed in the comma separated list that follows the option), but the new option is optimized for speed.
In cases where users only need to specify a list of PIDs to be shown and don't need other selection options, forest type output and sorting options, the new option is recommended as it decreases the initial processing delay by avoiding reading the necessary information from all the processes running on the system and by simplifying the internal filtering logic.




The option is designed to be fast.






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  • mysterious drive-by down voter...I don’t see anything wrong with this answer at all, thanks for digging up the commit and I’ve upvoted.

    – Wildcard
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  • Yes, I removed the comment(s). Yes, a random down-voter (probably). Thanks!. @Wildcard

    – Isaac
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What I can answer exactly is: What exactly ps -q PID does not do?



  • Sort and/or select a tree from the process list given.

From add -q/q/--quick-pid option with bolding added:




This commit introduces a new option q/-q/--quick-pid to the 'ps' command. The option does a similar job to the p/-p/--pid option (i.e. selection of PIDs listed in the comma separated list that follows the option), but the new option is optimized for speed.
In cases where users only need to specify a list of PIDs to be shown and don't need other selection options, forest type output and sorting options, the new option is recommended as it decreases the initial processing delay by avoiding reading the necessary information from all the processes running on the system and by simplifying the internal filtering logic.




The option is designed to be fast.






share|improve this answer















What I can answer exactly is: What exactly ps -q PID does not do?



  • Sort and/or select a tree from the process list given.

From add -q/q/--quick-pid option with bolding added:




This commit introduces a new option q/-q/--quick-pid to the 'ps' command. The option does a similar job to the p/-p/--pid option (i.e. selection of PIDs listed in the comma separated list that follows the option), but the new option is optimized for speed.
In cases where users only need to specify a list of PIDs to be shown and don't need other selection options, forest type output and sorting options, the new option is recommended as it decreases the initial processing delay by avoiding reading the necessary information from all the processes running on the system and by simplifying the internal filtering logic.




The option is designed to be fast.







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  • mysterious drive-by down voter...I don’t see anything wrong with this answer at all, thanks for digging up the commit and I’ve upvoted.

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Yes, I removed the comment(s). Yes, a random down-voter (probably). Thanks!. @Wildcard

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I confirmed using strace that ps -fp PID reads information about every process on the system, and ps -fq PID only reads information about one.



This can be confirmed using the following commands:



sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.p.out ps -fp $$
sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.q.out ps -fq $$
ps -e | wc -l
grep -c '"/proc/[0-9]*"' /tmp/strace.p,q.out





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  • Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

    – Tim
    Apr 13 at 16:33















2














I confirmed using strace that ps -fp PID reads information about every process on the system, and ps -fq PID only reads information about one.



This can be confirmed using the following commands:



sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.p.out ps -fp $$
sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.q.out ps -fq $$
ps -e | wc -l
grep -c '"/proc/[0-9]*"' /tmp/strace.p,q.out





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  • Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

    – Tim
    Apr 13 at 16:33













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I confirmed using strace that ps -fp PID reads information about every process on the system, and ps -fq PID only reads information about one.



This can be confirmed using the following commands:



sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.p.out ps -fp $$
sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.q.out ps -fq $$
ps -e | wc -l
grep -c '"/proc/[0-9]*"' /tmp/strace.p,q.out





share|improve this answer















I confirmed using strace that ps -fp PID reads information about every process on the system, and ps -fq PID only reads information about one.



This can be confirmed using the following commands:



sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.p.out ps -fp $$
sudo strace -o /tmp/strace.q.out ps -fq $$
ps -e | wc -l
grep -c '"/proc/[0-9]*"' /tmp/strace.p,q.out






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  • Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

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Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

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Thanks. You explained the implementation difference. What are the effective differences between -p and -q for ps? Can they always be effectively exchangeable? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/512295/…

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