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My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin. He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.



I want my gentleman assassin to be dark, conflicted and dangerous without being mad dog killer, psycho or (worse yet) fading into emo guy who kills.



He would tell you that his own innocence was the first casualty of his profession. When on the job, he is a pure professional. When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less.



How best to keep him the assassin next door and avoid becoming emo guy who kills?



MC considers himself a necessary evil, does not enjoy taking lives, but feels that using his skills is better than John Q Public efforts causing suffering. He has an extensive military background even before his CIA days. He never intended to become an assassin.










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  • How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

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    Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

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    Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

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  • @RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

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  • Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

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My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin. He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.



I want my gentleman assassin to be dark, conflicted and dangerous without being mad dog killer, psycho or (worse yet) fading into emo guy who kills.



He would tell you that his own innocence was the first casualty of his profession. When on the job, he is a pure professional. When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less.



How best to keep him the assassin next door and avoid becoming emo guy who kills?



MC considers himself a necessary evil, does not enjoy taking lives, but feels that using his skills is better than John Q Public efforts causing suffering. He has an extensive military background even before his CIA days. He never intended to become an assassin.










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  • How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

    – RonJohn
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    Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

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    Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

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  • @RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

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  • Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

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My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin. He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.



I want my gentleman assassin to be dark, conflicted and dangerous without being mad dog killer, psycho or (worse yet) fading into emo guy who kills.



He would tell you that his own innocence was the first casualty of his profession. When on the job, he is a pure professional. When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less.



How best to keep him the assassin next door and avoid becoming emo guy who kills?



MC considers himself a necessary evil, does not enjoy taking lives, but feels that using his skills is better than John Q Public efforts causing suffering. He has an extensive military background even before his CIA days. He never intended to become an assassin.










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My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin. He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.



I want my gentleman assassin to be dark, conflicted and dangerous without being mad dog killer, psycho or (worse yet) fading into emo guy who kills.



He would tell you that his own innocence was the first casualty of his profession. When on the job, he is a pure professional. When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less.



How best to keep him the assassin next door and avoid becoming emo guy who kills?



MC considers himself a necessary evil, does not enjoy taking lives, but feels that using his skills is better than John Q Public efforts causing suffering. He has an extensive military background even before his CIA days. He never intended to become an assassin.







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  • How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

    – RonJohn
    2 days ago






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    Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

    – Lauren Ipsum
    2 days ago






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    Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

    – Eric Duminil
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  • @RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

    – Rasdashan
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  • Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

    – kikirex
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  • How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

    – RonJohn
    2 days ago






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    Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

    – Lauren Ipsum
    2 days ago






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    Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

    – Eric Duminil
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  • @RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

    – Rasdashan
    2 days ago











  • Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

    – kikirex
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How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

– RonJohn
2 days ago





How "less" of "When off the clock, he is a normal person - more or less" is acceptable? Because assassination is not a 9-5 job, and sooner than later someone's going to come looking for revenge.

– RonJohn
2 days ago




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Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

– Lauren Ipsum
2 days ago





Check out the TV show Leverage and pay attention to the "hitter," Eliot Spenser. He doesn't kill on the show, but he's the team's muscle, and he did kill previously. In at least one episode he spoke openly about the loss of his innocence because of the life he'd chosen. When the group is "off the clock," they are basically friends who hang out and do normal things like play pool and cook gourmet meals.

– Lauren Ipsum
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Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

– Eric Duminil
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Do you know "Mike Ehrmantraut" from Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul?

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@RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

– Rasdashan
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@RonJohn His situational awareness is something he never turns off as it keeps him alive.

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Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

– kikirex
2 days ago





Check out Ghost Dog, I think it could fit your trope. The MC is an assassin, has standards, he search for inner peace and is a pretty much nice person out of his job. Also related: Léon.

– kikirex
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Start with an assassin, a person who kills.
Then delete everything you don't want him to be.
He is not a mad dog, a psycho or the dreaded emo guy who kills (which I will assume is a reference to Dexter). So he is not a victim of bad brain chemistry or a twisted personal psychology, yet he makes his living by ending other peoples' lives.
That leaves an enormous question hanging unanswered...



Why does he kill?



Sure, he might have taken the first few jobs for the money, but after that, with six or seven digits in the bank, there are a lot of easier careers to pursue. Yet he keeps
killing.



Find the answer to that question, and you will find out what distinguishes your dark gentleman from his murderous trope brethren.



My favorite answer to that question is that he is kind. He is a skilled murderer, with an unparalleled talent for painlessly transitioning his victims into the after life. He would be happy to quit, but he can't trust anyone else to do as good a job. He honestly cares for the quality of his victims life, right up to the moment that he reduces their quantity of remaining life to zero.






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    Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

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    @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

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    Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

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    @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

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    The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

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Establishing a conflicted character




My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin.




Good start, a character in a dark line of work is assumed to be dark until told otherwise. Start with a murder; cold, ruthless and efficient murder. The character is firmly ingrained as dark in the readers mind.




He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.




Now there's some conflict. Is he a dark anti-hero content with his life or a hero waiting for redemption? Once you show the MC's humanity; mercy, compassion or a sense of guilt, readers will expect this to be a redemption story. He was dark but now is turning to the light.



The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Mass take this arc with an assassin in a fantasy setting. By the later books the character has lost most of what made them dark and is now a true hero rather than a dark anti-hero.



If I understand your question correctly the part you struggle with is: how to keep this character dark despite his redemptive characteristics?



Keeping them dark



To keep a character dark you need something else to make them dark beyond their line of work. This can be some character flaw, some secret to keep or a reason to reject opportunities for redemption. A truly dark character will, when give a chance to take a lighter path, choose to remain in the shadows.



Why does he continue to do this work despite the risk to his morals? Why stray so close to the line he swears he won't cross? Does he derive some sick pleasure from the risk or the thrill of the kill? Perhaps his line of work is his own compromise between his humanity and darker instincts.



I found a great article on writing dark characters that contains a lot of good tips. Among them is the following brilliant advice:




If you're aiming to create a "dark" character who will leave the audience unsettled in some way, remember: some of the best characters for this aren't the ones who leave the audience unsettled with them per se, but with themselves - because they make the audience realize that under the right circumstances, they could be those awful characters who do those horrible things.




Your MC's humanity and strict lines they won't cross are relatable, their methods are not. Keep it this way and your dark character will remain a dark character with a redemptive streak rather than a redeemed hero with a dark past.






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    What's in your MC's past, and what's driving him now?



    Your MC is a professional assassin - a skilled murderer. Where did he learn his skills? How did he come to be in a position where people pay him to kill?



    He has a violent background - but he's not just some street thug. Maybe he used to be a soldier (probably special forces of some kind)? His talents extend beyond just killing. He's a gentleman, someone charming. He's skilled at gathering information, too. So his superiors offered him a chance to serve his country in a different capacity - now he's an assassin for the CIA.



    He believes in his country, and he knows that not all problems have peaceful solutions. Better one death now than hundreds or thousands later. He's a gentleman to his neighbors because they're the people he kills to protect. And he has a code: no unnecessary suffering, no random bystanders.



    He's conflicted - why is that? Did he see something that made him think that the people giving him orders aren't entirely trustworthy, that maybe they're using him to further their own agendas? Does he secretly doubt that every kill he made served a higher purpose, and was truly necessary?



    Keeping him dark - he's not crazy, and killing doesn't satisfy some sick need he has. But he stays in his job, so he doesn't hate it (or he's stuck). In my opinion, one of the most terrifying options is someone who kills and feels nothing. (He may even be surprised to learn this about himself.) He doesn't sympathize with his targets, but he doesn't hate them, either. They're targets, he doesn't see them as people. For him, killing is business and nothing more.






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    • Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

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    TL;DR, Give him the same personal traits as the here nameless human subject discussed in some of Anna Arendt's writings: a mediocre self-contented clown in need of constant approval from a group of peers he believes to belong to.



    Also note that a human being that can justify to him/her-self the murdering of others by any ethical or moral paradigm would probably require a significant amount of cognitive dissonance, as probably was the case for some of the quirkiness of the subject of the book mentioned above.



    Returning to A.A.'s book, and the implications for your character: you wish to create a character who commits monstrous acts and yet lives a normal life. The banality and sincerity (in contrast to making it up as an act of deception, e.g. as would be expected of a psychopath) of your character's normal life makes it difficult to perceive him as a monster, then we are left to suspect that he is some sort of clown. On the other hand, to call him a clown would make it harder for us to seriously accuse him of being a murderer.



    While in real life we do not play lightly on this topic, in your book, you may decide where to trace the line. Simply bear in mind that the more sincerely and honestly normal your character believes himself to be, the less seriously he will be perceived as an assassin.



    Now, to some details, freely borrowing from the book mentioned above:



    • give your character a fixed set of moral guidelines, which he will refer to every now and then. Your character is unable to think for himself in terms of moral judgement, and has therefore to constantly rely on these mantra to justify himself. Ensure that these guidelines are:
      1) repeated mnemonically,
      2) copied from reasonable moral laws,
      3) stated in a manner that a normal person may agree with them.
      For instance "All jobs are alike, and all are in the service of society. Mine is like a cleaning man, like a trash operator, or like a factory worker." or "I do a service to society, removing the bad apples, and preserving the good ones, like a gardener, or a teacher."


    • your character perceives himself as a "team-player". He has a constant need to feel part of the gang, to please the others with his efficiency, and to feel that his work has not let the rest of the team down. Make him suffer if he is left alone and without directions. By placing the organization above all else, he seriously impairs his ability to perceive the actual implications of what he is doing.


    • while skilled, your MC should not be particularly intelligent. An intelligent assassin who wishes to live in the same society which he harms is by necessity mentally disturbed. On the other hand, make him reluctant to be tested, or to be faced with his shortcomings. Also, this will help make him unnoticeable, and anonymous, both of which are great traits to fulfill his dream of living amidst other human beings.


    • Make him boast with his inferior about some of his results, which were not his to start with (e.g. stopping some dictator, or halting a war), and make him meek with his superiors. A clear understanding of the hierarchical ladder will help him fit into society too, obeying to (most of) the law, and even bringing it forward onto others, when given the authority.






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      My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

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    • I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

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    • Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

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    While I have no advice on what you can do for your character, I want to suggest you go watch a movie called "Grosse Pointe Blank." The main character is a hired assassin who is looking to retire and is written in such a way to be likeable and pretty normal, aside from his line of work.






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    • I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

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    • This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

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      As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

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    • @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

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    • @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

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    If you've ever seen the series "Transformers: Beast Wars" I highly recommend the relationship between the characters of Rattrap and Dinobot. At the start of the series, the former is a member of the Noble Maximals while the later is an evil Predicons. However, the loyalties are not static. By the end of the first story, Dinobot defects to the Maximals and a few episodes later, Rattrap switches sides as well. However, there is a distinction between the two that underlines their mutual distrust of each other (which over the series ranges from out and out hatred to just insulting each other because anything else would be cruel.). Where as Dinobot defects because he feels Megatron has dishonored their cause, and thus crossed a line, Rattrap defects because he feels it will benefit the Maximals.



    Rattrap and Dinobot differ because Rattrap is a fanatic, but a fanatic for a good cause. If something can further the Maximal cause, but is morally questionable, Rattrap will not only justify it, he'll volunteer. For Dinobot, if something will further the Predicon but is morally questionable, it is better to side with the enemy than to comprimise on principals. Dinobot views Rattrap as fanatically loyal as the Predicons he just left, and thus, no better while he is a noble and honorbound warrior. Meanwhile, Rattrap views Dinobot as an oppertunisitic traitor to his kind, which is something Rattrap would only do if it meant his people would benfit in the long gun, he is the Patriot to Dinobot's spy with a convincing cover story. These dynamics are central to Dinobot's character arc, which build up to the final driving question: If Dinobot does not oppose the Predicons, his initial mission he started with in the very first episode will succeed... but he knows that such a choice has a major morally questionable price to pay.



    Without spoiling, this conclusion to Dinobot's story is probably one of the darkest episodes in the Transformers franchise, let alone the Beast Wars series.






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      Start with an assassin, a person who kills.
      Then delete everything you don't want him to be.
      He is not a mad dog, a psycho or the dreaded emo guy who kills (which I will assume is a reference to Dexter). So he is not a victim of bad brain chemistry or a twisted personal psychology, yet he makes his living by ending other peoples' lives.
      That leaves an enormous question hanging unanswered...



      Why does he kill?



      Sure, he might have taken the first few jobs for the money, but after that, with six or seven digits in the bank, there are a lot of easier careers to pursue. Yet he keeps
      killing.



      Find the answer to that question, and you will find out what distinguishes your dark gentleman from his murderous trope brethren.



      My favorite answer to that question is that he is kind. He is a skilled murderer, with an unparalleled talent for painlessly transitioning his victims into the after life. He would be happy to quit, but he can't trust anyone else to do as good a job. He honestly cares for the quality of his victims life, right up to the moment that he reduces their quantity of remaining life to zero.






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      • 1





        Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

        – Mindwin
        2 days ago






      • 2





        @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

        – Henry Taylor
        2 days ago






      • 1





        Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

        – vsz
        2 days ago






      • 1





        @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday






      • 1





        The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday















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      Start with an assassin, a person who kills.
      Then delete everything you don't want him to be.
      He is not a mad dog, a psycho or the dreaded emo guy who kills (which I will assume is a reference to Dexter). So he is not a victim of bad brain chemistry or a twisted personal psychology, yet he makes his living by ending other peoples' lives.
      That leaves an enormous question hanging unanswered...



      Why does he kill?



      Sure, he might have taken the first few jobs for the money, but after that, with six or seven digits in the bank, there are a lot of easier careers to pursue. Yet he keeps
      killing.



      Find the answer to that question, and you will find out what distinguishes your dark gentleman from his murderous trope brethren.



      My favorite answer to that question is that he is kind. He is a skilled murderer, with an unparalleled talent for painlessly transitioning his victims into the after life. He would be happy to quit, but he can't trust anyone else to do as good a job. He honestly cares for the quality of his victims life, right up to the moment that he reduces their quantity of remaining life to zero.






      share|improve this answer


















      • 1





        Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

        – Mindwin
        2 days ago






      • 2





        @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

        – Henry Taylor
        2 days ago






      • 1





        Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

        – vsz
        2 days ago






      • 1





        @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday






      • 1





        The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday













      11












      11








      11







      Start with an assassin, a person who kills.
      Then delete everything you don't want him to be.
      He is not a mad dog, a psycho or the dreaded emo guy who kills (which I will assume is a reference to Dexter). So he is not a victim of bad brain chemistry or a twisted personal psychology, yet he makes his living by ending other peoples' lives.
      That leaves an enormous question hanging unanswered...



      Why does he kill?



      Sure, he might have taken the first few jobs for the money, but after that, with six or seven digits in the bank, there are a lot of easier careers to pursue. Yet he keeps
      killing.



      Find the answer to that question, and you will find out what distinguishes your dark gentleman from his murderous trope brethren.



      My favorite answer to that question is that he is kind. He is a skilled murderer, with an unparalleled talent for painlessly transitioning his victims into the after life. He would be happy to quit, but he can't trust anyone else to do as good a job. He honestly cares for the quality of his victims life, right up to the moment that he reduces their quantity of remaining life to zero.






      share|improve this answer













      Start with an assassin, a person who kills.
      Then delete everything you don't want him to be.
      He is not a mad dog, a psycho or the dreaded emo guy who kills (which I will assume is a reference to Dexter). So he is not a victim of bad brain chemistry or a twisted personal psychology, yet he makes his living by ending other peoples' lives.
      That leaves an enormous question hanging unanswered...



      Why does he kill?



      Sure, he might have taken the first few jobs for the money, but after that, with six or seven digits in the bank, there are a lot of easier careers to pursue. Yet he keeps
      killing.



      Find the answer to that question, and you will find out what distinguishes your dark gentleman from his murderous trope brethren.



      My favorite answer to that question is that he is kind. He is a skilled murderer, with an unparalleled talent for painlessly transitioning his victims into the after life. He would be happy to quit, but he can't trust anyone else to do as good a job. He honestly cares for the quality of his victims life, right up to the moment that he reduces their quantity of remaining life to zero.







      share|improve this answer












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      Henry TaylorHenry Taylor

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      • 1





        Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

        – Mindwin
        2 days ago






      • 2





        @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

        – Henry Taylor
        2 days ago






      • 1





        Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

        – vsz
        2 days ago






      • 1





        @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday






      • 1





        The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday












      • 1





        Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

        – Mindwin
        2 days ago






      • 2





        @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

        – Henry Taylor
        2 days ago






      • 1





        Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

        – vsz
        2 days ago






      • 1





        @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday






      • 1





        The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

        – Henry Taylor
        yesterday







      1




      1





      Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

      – Mindwin
      2 days ago





      Your favorite answer is awfully similar to what a psychopath would do.

      – Mindwin
      2 days ago




      2




      2





      @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

      – Henry Taylor
      2 days ago





      @Mindwin and Beska, a kind killer does not have to be a psychopath. Consider for example a government assassin whose tactically chosen assignments prevent wars and therefore save lives. A highly skilled killer in such a position could be completely rational and sane, truly regretting that his victims must die but trusting his superiors in their selection of targets and dutifully executing his orders with a minimum of victim pain. Such a killer might be hesitant to retire from killing because his replacements might be cruel psychopaths. I would argue that such a person is completely sane.

      – Henry Taylor
      2 days ago




      1




      1





      Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

      – vsz
      2 days ago





      Why does he kill? The trope asshole victim to the rescue!

      – vsz
      2 days ago




      1




      1





      @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

      – Henry Taylor
      yesterday





      @Mindwin, I'm don't disagree with your definition but a behavior (even murder) can't be labelled antisocial if it is mandated by the leadership of that society. Refusing to murder in such a situation would be antisocial. As for impaired empathy, remorse and the other psychological disabilities listed in your definition, I don't see that my kind killer would have any of them. In fact, his proficiency at painless execution is a demonstration of extremely healthy empathy and thoughtfulness.

      – Henry Taylor
      yesterday




      1




      1





      The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

      – Henry Taylor
      yesterday





      The key to his mental health is that he has complete confidence and faith in his government leaders. He knows that his victim is going to die by their order, either by his own gentle methods or by some other agent's more brutal means. Remorse, empathy and even regret are his common companions, yet he does what he does out of sympathy and compassion. Making it as easy as possible on those who are already unavoidably about to die.

      – Henry Taylor
      yesterday











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      Establishing a conflicted character




      My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin.




      Good start, a character in a dark line of work is assumed to be dark until told otherwise. Start with a murder; cold, ruthless and efficient murder. The character is firmly ingrained as dark in the readers mind.




      He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.




      Now there's some conflict. Is he a dark anti-hero content with his life or a hero waiting for redemption? Once you show the MC's humanity; mercy, compassion or a sense of guilt, readers will expect this to be a redemption story. He was dark but now is turning to the light.



      The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Mass take this arc with an assassin in a fantasy setting. By the later books the character has lost most of what made them dark and is now a true hero rather than a dark anti-hero.



      If I understand your question correctly the part you struggle with is: how to keep this character dark despite his redemptive characteristics?



      Keeping them dark



      To keep a character dark you need something else to make them dark beyond their line of work. This can be some character flaw, some secret to keep or a reason to reject opportunities for redemption. A truly dark character will, when give a chance to take a lighter path, choose to remain in the shadows.



      Why does he continue to do this work despite the risk to his morals? Why stray so close to the line he swears he won't cross? Does he derive some sick pleasure from the risk or the thrill of the kill? Perhaps his line of work is his own compromise between his humanity and darker instincts.



      I found a great article on writing dark characters that contains a lot of good tips. Among them is the following brilliant advice:




      If you're aiming to create a "dark" character who will leave the audience unsettled in some way, remember: some of the best characters for this aren't the ones who leave the audience unsettled with them per se, but with themselves - because they make the audience realize that under the right circumstances, they could be those awful characters who do those horrible things.




      Your MC's humanity and strict lines they won't cross are relatable, their methods are not. Keep it this way and your dark character will remain a dark character with a redemptive streak rather than a redeemed hero with a dark past.






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        Establishing a conflicted character




        My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin.




        Good start, a character in a dark line of work is assumed to be dark until told otherwise. Start with a murder; cold, ruthless and efficient murder. The character is firmly ingrained as dark in the readers mind.




        He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.




        Now there's some conflict. Is he a dark anti-hero content with his life or a hero waiting for redemption? Once you show the MC's humanity; mercy, compassion or a sense of guilt, readers will expect this to be a redemption story. He was dark but now is turning to the light.



        The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Mass take this arc with an assassin in a fantasy setting. By the later books the character has lost most of what made them dark and is now a true hero rather than a dark anti-hero.



        If I understand your question correctly the part you struggle with is: how to keep this character dark despite his redemptive characteristics?



        Keeping them dark



        To keep a character dark you need something else to make them dark beyond their line of work. This can be some character flaw, some secret to keep or a reason to reject opportunities for redemption. A truly dark character will, when give a chance to take a lighter path, choose to remain in the shadows.



        Why does he continue to do this work despite the risk to his morals? Why stray so close to the line he swears he won't cross? Does he derive some sick pleasure from the risk or the thrill of the kill? Perhaps his line of work is his own compromise between his humanity and darker instincts.



        I found a great article on writing dark characters that contains a lot of good tips. Among them is the following brilliant advice:




        If you're aiming to create a "dark" character who will leave the audience unsettled in some way, remember: some of the best characters for this aren't the ones who leave the audience unsettled with them per se, but with themselves - because they make the audience realize that under the right circumstances, they could be those awful characters who do those horrible things.




        Your MC's humanity and strict lines they won't cross are relatable, their methods are not. Keep it this way and your dark character will remain a dark character with a redemptive streak rather than a redeemed hero with a dark past.






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          7








          7







          Establishing a conflicted character




          My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin.




          Good start, a character in a dark line of work is assumed to be dark until told otherwise. Start with a murder; cold, ruthless and efficient murder. The character is firmly ingrained as dark in the readers mind.




          He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.




          Now there's some conflict. Is he a dark anti-hero content with his life or a hero waiting for redemption? Once you show the MC's humanity; mercy, compassion or a sense of guilt, readers will expect this to be a redemption story. He was dark but now is turning to the light.



          The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Mass take this arc with an assassin in a fantasy setting. By the later books the character has lost most of what made them dark and is now a true hero rather than a dark anti-hero.



          If I understand your question correctly the part you struggle with is: how to keep this character dark despite his redemptive characteristics?



          Keeping them dark



          To keep a character dark you need something else to make them dark beyond their line of work. This can be some character flaw, some secret to keep or a reason to reject opportunities for redemption. A truly dark character will, when give a chance to take a lighter path, choose to remain in the shadows.



          Why does he continue to do this work despite the risk to his morals? Why stray so close to the line he swears he won't cross? Does he derive some sick pleasure from the risk or the thrill of the kill? Perhaps his line of work is his own compromise between his humanity and darker instincts.



          I found a great article on writing dark characters that contains a lot of good tips. Among them is the following brilliant advice:




          If you're aiming to create a "dark" character who will leave the audience unsettled in some way, remember: some of the best characters for this aren't the ones who leave the audience unsettled with them per se, but with themselves - because they make the audience realize that under the right circumstances, they could be those awful characters who do those horrible things.




          Your MC's humanity and strict lines they won't cross are relatable, their methods are not. Keep it this way and your dark character will remain a dark character with a redemptive streak rather than a redeemed hero with a dark past.






          share|improve this answer













          Establishing a conflicted character




          My MC is in a dark line of work. He is an assassin.




          Good start, a character in a dark line of work is assumed to be dark until told otherwise. Start with a murder; cold, ruthless and efficient murder. The character is firmly ingrained as dark in the readers mind.




          He is also someone with lines he does not cross. He has been duped or coerced to do things he would not, but still holds to some standards.




          Now there's some conflict. Is he a dark anti-hero content with his life or a hero waiting for redemption? Once you show the MC's humanity; mercy, compassion or a sense of guilt, readers will expect this to be a redemption story. He was dark but now is turning to the light.



          The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Mass take this arc with an assassin in a fantasy setting. By the later books the character has lost most of what made them dark and is now a true hero rather than a dark anti-hero.



          If I understand your question correctly the part you struggle with is: how to keep this character dark despite his redemptive characteristics?



          Keeping them dark



          To keep a character dark you need something else to make them dark beyond their line of work. This can be some character flaw, some secret to keep or a reason to reject opportunities for redemption. A truly dark character will, when give a chance to take a lighter path, choose to remain in the shadows.



          Why does he continue to do this work despite the risk to his morals? Why stray so close to the line he swears he won't cross? Does he derive some sick pleasure from the risk or the thrill of the kill? Perhaps his line of work is his own compromise between his humanity and darker instincts.



          I found a great article on writing dark characters that contains a lot of good tips. Among them is the following brilliant advice:




          If you're aiming to create a "dark" character who will leave the audience unsettled in some way, remember: some of the best characters for this aren't the ones who leave the audience unsettled with them per se, but with themselves - because they make the audience realize that under the right circumstances, they could be those awful characters who do those horrible things.




          Your MC's humanity and strict lines they won't cross are relatable, their methods are not. Keep it this way and your dark character will remain a dark character with a redemptive streak rather than a redeemed hero with a dark past.







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          answered 2 days ago









          linksassinlinksassin

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              5














              What's in your MC's past, and what's driving him now?



              Your MC is a professional assassin - a skilled murderer. Where did he learn his skills? How did he come to be in a position where people pay him to kill?



              He has a violent background - but he's not just some street thug. Maybe he used to be a soldier (probably special forces of some kind)? His talents extend beyond just killing. He's a gentleman, someone charming. He's skilled at gathering information, too. So his superiors offered him a chance to serve his country in a different capacity - now he's an assassin for the CIA.



              He believes in his country, and he knows that not all problems have peaceful solutions. Better one death now than hundreds or thousands later. He's a gentleman to his neighbors because they're the people he kills to protect. And he has a code: no unnecessary suffering, no random bystanders.



              He's conflicted - why is that? Did he see something that made him think that the people giving him orders aren't entirely trustworthy, that maybe they're using him to further their own agendas? Does he secretly doubt that every kill he made served a higher purpose, and was truly necessary?



              Keeping him dark - he's not crazy, and killing doesn't satisfy some sick need he has. But he stays in his job, so he doesn't hate it (or he's stuck). In my opinion, one of the most terrifying options is someone who kills and feels nothing. (He may even be surprised to learn this about himself.) He doesn't sympathize with his targets, but he doesn't hate them, either. They're targets, he doesn't see them as people. For him, killing is business and nothing more.






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              • Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago















              5














              What's in your MC's past, and what's driving him now?



              Your MC is a professional assassin - a skilled murderer. Where did he learn his skills? How did he come to be in a position where people pay him to kill?



              He has a violent background - but he's not just some street thug. Maybe he used to be a soldier (probably special forces of some kind)? His talents extend beyond just killing. He's a gentleman, someone charming. He's skilled at gathering information, too. So his superiors offered him a chance to serve his country in a different capacity - now he's an assassin for the CIA.



              He believes in his country, and he knows that not all problems have peaceful solutions. Better one death now than hundreds or thousands later. He's a gentleman to his neighbors because they're the people he kills to protect. And he has a code: no unnecessary suffering, no random bystanders.



              He's conflicted - why is that? Did he see something that made him think that the people giving him orders aren't entirely trustworthy, that maybe they're using him to further their own agendas? Does he secretly doubt that every kill he made served a higher purpose, and was truly necessary?



              Keeping him dark - he's not crazy, and killing doesn't satisfy some sick need he has. But he stays in his job, so he doesn't hate it (or he's stuck). In my opinion, one of the most terrifying options is someone who kills and feels nothing. (He may even be surprised to learn this about himself.) He doesn't sympathize with his targets, but he doesn't hate them, either. They're targets, he doesn't see them as people. For him, killing is business and nothing more.






              share|improve this answer

























              • Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago













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              5








              5







              What's in your MC's past, and what's driving him now?



              Your MC is a professional assassin - a skilled murderer. Where did he learn his skills? How did he come to be in a position where people pay him to kill?



              He has a violent background - but he's not just some street thug. Maybe he used to be a soldier (probably special forces of some kind)? His talents extend beyond just killing. He's a gentleman, someone charming. He's skilled at gathering information, too. So his superiors offered him a chance to serve his country in a different capacity - now he's an assassin for the CIA.



              He believes in his country, and he knows that not all problems have peaceful solutions. Better one death now than hundreds or thousands later. He's a gentleman to his neighbors because they're the people he kills to protect. And he has a code: no unnecessary suffering, no random bystanders.



              He's conflicted - why is that? Did he see something that made him think that the people giving him orders aren't entirely trustworthy, that maybe they're using him to further their own agendas? Does he secretly doubt that every kill he made served a higher purpose, and was truly necessary?



              Keeping him dark - he's not crazy, and killing doesn't satisfy some sick need he has. But he stays in his job, so he doesn't hate it (or he's stuck). In my opinion, one of the most terrifying options is someone who kills and feels nothing. (He may even be surprised to learn this about himself.) He doesn't sympathize with his targets, but he doesn't hate them, either. They're targets, he doesn't see them as people. For him, killing is business and nothing more.






              share|improve this answer















              What's in your MC's past, and what's driving him now?



              Your MC is a professional assassin - a skilled murderer. Where did he learn his skills? How did he come to be in a position where people pay him to kill?



              He has a violent background - but he's not just some street thug. Maybe he used to be a soldier (probably special forces of some kind)? His talents extend beyond just killing. He's a gentleman, someone charming. He's skilled at gathering information, too. So his superiors offered him a chance to serve his country in a different capacity - now he's an assassin for the CIA.



              He believes in his country, and he knows that not all problems have peaceful solutions. Better one death now than hundreds or thousands later. He's a gentleman to his neighbors because they're the people he kills to protect. And he has a code: no unnecessary suffering, no random bystanders.



              He's conflicted - why is that? Did he see something that made him think that the people giving him orders aren't entirely trustworthy, that maybe they're using him to further their own agendas? Does he secretly doubt that every kill he made served a higher purpose, and was truly necessary?



              Keeping him dark - he's not crazy, and killing doesn't satisfy some sick need he has. But he stays in his job, so he doesn't hate it (or he's stuck). In my opinion, one of the most terrifying options is someone who kills and feels nothing. (He may even be surprised to learn this about himself.) He doesn't sympathize with his targets, but he doesn't hate them, either. They're targets, he doesn't see them as people. For him, killing is business and nothing more.







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              • Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

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                2 days ago

















              • Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago
















              Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago





              Once he has a target and that person has been determined to meet the criteria, he knows they are already dead. He takes no pleasure in killing, but loved precision, so will regard them more as target than as who they are. However, this is a persona he assumes to enable him to do his job and do it so well that the victim never knew he was there.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago











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              TL;DR, Give him the same personal traits as the here nameless human subject discussed in some of Anna Arendt's writings: a mediocre self-contented clown in need of constant approval from a group of peers he believes to belong to.



              Also note that a human being that can justify to him/her-self the murdering of others by any ethical or moral paradigm would probably require a significant amount of cognitive dissonance, as probably was the case for some of the quirkiness of the subject of the book mentioned above.



              Returning to A.A.'s book, and the implications for your character: you wish to create a character who commits monstrous acts and yet lives a normal life. The banality and sincerity (in contrast to making it up as an act of deception, e.g. as would be expected of a psychopath) of your character's normal life makes it difficult to perceive him as a monster, then we are left to suspect that he is some sort of clown. On the other hand, to call him a clown would make it harder for us to seriously accuse him of being a murderer.



              While in real life we do not play lightly on this topic, in your book, you may decide where to trace the line. Simply bear in mind that the more sincerely and honestly normal your character believes himself to be, the less seriously he will be perceived as an assassin.



              Now, to some details, freely borrowing from the book mentioned above:



              • give your character a fixed set of moral guidelines, which he will refer to every now and then. Your character is unable to think for himself in terms of moral judgement, and has therefore to constantly rely on these mantra to justify himself. Ensure that these guidelines are:
                1) repeated mnemonically,
                2) copied from reasonable moral laws,
                3) stated in a manner that a normal person may agree with them.
                For instance "All jobs are alike, and all are in the service of society. Mine is like a cleaning man, like a trash operator, or like a factory worker." or "I do a service to society, removing the bad apples, and preserving the good ones, like a gardener, or a teacher."


              • your character perceives himself as a "team-player". He has a constant need to feel part of the gang, to please the others with his efficiency, and to feel that his work has not let the rest of the team down. Make him suffer if he is left alone and without directions. By placing the organization above all else, he seriously impairs his ability to perceive the actual implications of what he is doing.


              • while skilled, your MC should not be particularly intelligent. An intelligent assassin who wishes to live in the same society which he harms is by necessity mentally disturbed. On the other hand, make him reluctant to be tested, or to be faced with his shortcomings. Also, this will help make him unnoticeable, and anonymous, both of which are great traits to fulfill his dream of living amidst other human beings.


              • Make him boast with his inferior about some of his results, which were not his to start with (e.g. stopping some dictator, or halting a war), and make him meek with his superiors. A clear understanding of the hierarchical ladder will help him fit into society too, obeying to (most of) the law, and even bringing it forward onto others, when given the authority.






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                My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

                – NofP
                2 days ago












              • Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago















              1














              TL;DR, Give him the same personal traits as the here nameless human subject discussed in some of Anna Arendt's writings: a mediocre self-contented clown in need of constant approval from a group of peers he believes to belong to.



              Also note that a human being that can justify to him/her-self the murdering of others by any ethical or moral paradigm would probably require a significant amount of cognitive dissonance, as probably was the case for some of the quirkiness of the subject of the book mentioned above.



              Returning to A.A.'s book, and the implications for your character: you wish to create a character who commits monstrous acts and yet lives a normal life. The banality and sincerity (in contrast to making it up as an act of deception, e.g. as would be expected of a psychopath) of your character's normal life makes it difficult to perceive him as a monster, then we are left to suspect that he is some sort of clown. On the other hand, to call him a clown would make it harder for us to seriously accuse him of being a murderer.



              While in real life we do not play lightly on this topic, in your book, you may decide where to trace the line. Simply bear in mind that the more sincerely and honestly normal your character believes himself to be, the less seriously he will be perceived as an assassin.



              Now, to some details, freely borrowing from the book mentioned above:



              • give your character a fixed set of moral guidelines, which he will refer to every now and then. Your character is unable to think for himself in terms of moral judgement, and has therefore to constantly rely on these mantra to justify himself. Ensure that these guidelines are:
                1) repeated mnemonically,
                2) copied from reasonable moral laws,
                3) stated in a manner that a normal person may agree with them.
                For instance "All jobs are alike, and all are in the service of society. Mine is like a cleaning man, like a trash operator, or like a factory worker." or "I do a service to society, removing the bad apples, and preserving the good ones, like a gardener, or a teacher."


              • your character perceives himself as a "team-player". He has a constant need to feel part of the gang, to please the others with his efficiency, and to feel that his work has not let the rest of the team down. Make him suffer if he is left alone and without directions. By placing the organization above all else, he seriously impairs his ability to perceive the actual implications of what he is doing.


              • while skilled, your MC should not be particularly intelligent. An intelligent assassin who wishes to live in the same society which he harms is by necessity mentally disturbed. On the other hand, make him reluctant to be tested, or to be faced with his shortcomings. Also, this will help make him unnoticeable, and anonymous, both of which are great traits to fulfill his dream of living amidst other human beings.


              • Make him boast with his inferior about some of his results, which were not his to start with (e.g. stopping some dictator, or halting a war), and make him meek with his superiors. A clear understanding of the hierarchical ladder will help him fit into society too, obeying to (most of) the law, and even bringing it forward onto others, when given the authority.






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                My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

                – NofP
                2 days ago












              • Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago













              1












              1








              1







              TL;DR, Give him the same personal traits as the here nameless human subject discussed in some of Anna Arendt's writings: a mediocre self-contented clown in need of constant approval from a group of peers he believes to belong to.



              Also note that a human being that can justify to him/her-self the murdering of others by any ethical or moral paradigm would probably require a significant amount of cognitive dissonance, as probably was the case for some of the quirkiness of the subject of the book mentioned above.



              Returning to A.A.'s book, and the implications for your character: you wish to create a character who commits monstrous acts and yet lives a normal life. The banality and sincerity (in contrast to making it up as an act of deception, e.g. as would be expected of a psychopath) of your character's normal life makes it difficult to perceive him as a monster, then we are left to suspect that he is some sort of clown. On the other hand, to call him a clown would make it harder for us to seriously accuse him of being a murderer.



              While in real life we do not play lightly on this topic, in your book, you may decide where to trace the line. Simply bear in mind that the more sincerely and honestly normal your character believes himself to be, the less seriously he will be perceived as an assassin.



              Now, to some details, freely borrowing from the book mentioned above:



              • give your character a fixed set of moral guidelines, which he will refer to every now and then. Your character is unable to think for himself in terms of moral judgement, and has therefore to constantly rely on these mantra to justify himself. Ensure that these guidelines are:
                1) repeated mnemonically,
                2) copied from reasonable moral laws,
                3) stated in a manner that a normal person may agree with them.
                For instance "All jobs are alike, and all are in the service of society. Mine is like a cleaning man, like a trash operator, or like a factory worker." or "I do a service to society, removing the bad apples, and preserving the good ones, like a gardener, or a teacher."


              • your character perceives himself as a "team-player". He has a constant need to feel part of the gang, to please the others with his efficiency, and to feel that his work has not let the rest of the team down. Make him suffer if he is left alone and without directions. By placing the organization above all else, he seriously impairs his ability to perceive the actual implications of what he is doing.


              • while skilled, your MC should not be particularly intelligent. An intelligent assassin who wishes to live in the same society which he harms is by necessity mentally disturbed. On the other hand, make him reluctant to be tested, or to be faced with his shortcomings. Also, this will help make him unnoticeable, and anonymous, both of which are great traits to fulfill his dream of living amidst other human beings.


              • Make him boast with his inferior about some of his results, which were not his to start with (e.g. stopping some dictator, or halting a war), and make him meek with his superiors. A clear understanding of the hierarchical ladder will help him fit into society too, obeying to (most of) the law, and even bringing it forward onto others, when given the authority.






              share|improve this answer













              TL;DR, Give him the same personal traits as the here nameless human subject discussed in some of Anna Arendt's writings: a mediocre self-contented clown in need of constant approval from a group of peers he believes to belong to.



              Also note that a human being that can justify to him/her-self the murdering of others by any ethical or moral paradigm would probably require a significant amount of cognitive dissonance, as probably was the case for some of the quirkiness of the subject of the book mentioned above.



              Returning to A.A.'s book, and the implications for your character: you wish to create a character who commits monstrous acts and yet lives a normal life. The banality and sincerity (in contrast to making it up as an act of deception, e.g. as would be expected of a psychopath) of your character's normal life makes it difficult to perceive him as a monster, then we are left to suspect that he is some sort of clown. On the other hand, to call him a clown would make it harder for us to seriously accuse him of being a murderer.



              While in real life we do not play lightly on this topic, in your book, you may decide where to trace the line. Simply bear in mind that the more sincerely and honestly normal your character believes himself to be, the less seriously he will be perceived as an assassin.



              Now, to some details, freely borrowing from the book mentioned above:



              • give your character a fixed set of moral guidelines, which he will refer to every now and then. Your character is unable to think for himself in terms of moral judgement, and has therefore to constantly rely on these mantra to justify himself. Ensure that these guidelines are:
                1) repeated mnemonically,
                2) copied from reasonable moral laws,
                3) stated in a manner that a normal person may agree with them.
                For instance "All jobs are alike, and all are in the service of society. Mine is like a cleaning man, like a trash operator, or like a factory worker." or "I do a service to society, removing the bad apples, and preserving the good ones, like a gardener, or a teacher."


              • your character perceives himself as a "team-player". He has a constant need to feel part of the gang, to please the others with his efficiency, and to feel that his work has not let the rest of the team down. Make him suffer if he is left alone and without directions. By placing the organization above all else, he seriously impairs his ability to perceive the actual implications of what he is doing.


              • while skilled, your MC should not be particularly intelligent. An intelligent assassin who wishes to live in the same society which he harms is by necessity mentally disturbed. On the other hand, make him reluctant to be tested, or to be faced with his shortcomings. Also, this will help make him unnoticeable, and anonymous, both of which are great traits to fulfill his dream of living amidst other human beings.


              • Make him boast with his inferior about some of his results, which were not his to start with (e.g. stopping some dictator, or halting a war), and make him meek with his superiors. A clear understanding of the hierarchical ladder will help him fit into society too, obeying to (most of) the law, and even bringing it forward onto others, when given the authority.







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                My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

                – NofP
                2 days ago












              • Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago












              • 1





                My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

                – NofP
                2 days ago












              • Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago







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              1





              My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago





              My MC is intelligent. He wandered down the garden path in large part due to his youth. He joined the military at 17 so they could pay for his education. He was already a competition marksman, so was fast tracked to sniper training. He learned that killing the enemy was still killing, but it saved his buddies. He later ended up in Black Ops, then the CIA. His idealism did not survive the CIA.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago













              I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

              – NofP
              2 days ago






              I understand your stance. My answer comes from the notion that a honest and functioning member of society would not wilfully, repeatedly and safely engage in murder. If he were living this simple life as a facade to cover his activities, then it would be a different story.

              – NofP
              2 days ago














              Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago





              Before writing one word, I asked myself if someone who killed for a living could be sane. I had womdered where on the sociopath/psychopath spectrum my character would fall. I realized, that with the right training - elite military- such an assassin would be most difficult to detect by law enforcement. So I gave him military experience at a malleable point in his life and he learned thou shalt not kill can have an asterisk or two.

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago











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              While I have no advice on what you can do for your character, I want to suggest you go watch a movie called "Grosse Pointe Blank." The main character is a hired assassin who is looking to retire and is written in such a way to be likeable and pretty normal, aside from his line of work.






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              • I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

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                As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

                – linksassin
                yesterday











              • @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday











              • @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

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                yesterday















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              While I have no advice on what you can do for your character, I want to suggest you go watch a movie called "Grosse Pointe Blank." The main character is a hired assassin who is looking to retire and is written in such a way to be likeable and pretty normal, aside from his line of work.






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              • I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

                – weakdna
                yesterday






              • 2





                As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

                – linksassin
                yesterday











              • @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday











              • @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday













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              While I have no advice on what you can do for your character, I want to suggest you go watch a movie called "Grosse Pointe Blank." The main character is a hired assassin who is looking to retire and is written in such a way to be likeable and pretty normal, aside from his line of work.






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              While I have no advice on what you can do for your character, I want to suggest you go watch a movie called "Grosse Pointe Blank." The main character is a hired assassin who is looking to retire and is written in such a way to be likeable and pretty normal, aside from his line of work.







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              answered 2 days ago









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              • I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

                – weakdna
                yesterday






              • 2





                As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

                – linksassin
                yesterday











              • @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday











              • @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday

















              • I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

                – Rasdashan
                2 days ago











              • This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

                – weakdna
                yesterday






              • 2





                As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

                – linksassin
                yesterday











              • @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday











              • @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

                – Spiderkeg
                yesterday
















              I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago





              I saw that movie and loved it. Martin was retiring, my MC sees a future when he will retire, but that is over a decade away. But yes, his interactions with other people were quite natural, though he did tend to tell people what he does. Mine will rarely admit to Liquidation of Corporate Assets

              – Rasdashan
              2 days ago













              This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

              – weakdna
              yesterday





              This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review

              – weakdna
              yesterday




              2




              2





              As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

              – linksassin
              yesterday





              As written this is not an answer to the question. If you can edit in details about why that character is likeable and dark this could be a good example.

              – linksassin
              yesterday













              @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

              – Spiderkeg
              yesterday





              @linksassin - Confused. Are you asking me to supply my own opinion on why the character (Martin) is likable or why the characters Martin interacts with find him likable? I am not providing an opinion. The character is written to be likable and normal, even though being an assassin, and this reflects what the OP is aiming for. Would linking to a review of the movie satisfy you? I need additional clarity on what you need from me.

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              @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

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              @weakdna - I am providing a suggestion on where to find a similarly written character akin to what the OP is aiming for. Does my reply not go here? I am also not asking the OP any questions, so I don't understand why you think I am placing the OP in a position to add "clarity" to his question.

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              If you've ever seen the series "Transformers: Beast Wars" I highly recommend the relationship between the characters of Rattrap and Dinobot. At the start of the series, the former is a member of the Noble Maximals while the later is an evil Predicons. However, the loyalties are not static. By the end of the first story, Dinobot defects to the Maximals and a few episodes later, Rattrap switches sides as well. However, there is a distinction between the two that underlines their mutual distrust of each other (which over the series ranges from out and out hatred to just insulting each other because anything else would be cruel.). Where as Dinobot defects because he feels Megatron has dishonored their cause, and thus crossed a line, Rattrap defects because he feels it will benefit the Maximals.



              Rattrap and Dinobot differ because Rattrap is a fanatic, but a fanatic for a good cause. If something can further the Maximal cause, but is morally questionable, Rattrap will not only justify it, he'll volunteer. For Dinobot, if something will further the Predicon but is morally questionable, it is better to side with the enemy than to comprimise on principals. Dinobot views Rattrap as fanatically loyal as the Predicons he just left, and thus, no better while he is a noble and honorbound warrior. Meanwhile, Rattrap views Dinobot as an oppertunisitic traitor to his kind, which is something Rattrap would only do if it meant his people would benfit in the long gun, he is the Patriot to Dinobot's spy with a convincing cover story. These dynamics are central to Dinobot's character arc, which build up to the final driving question: If Dinobot does not oppose the Predicons, his initial mission he started with in the very first episode will succeed... but he knows that such a choice has a major morally questionable price to pay.



              Without spoiling, this conclusion to Dinobot's story is probably one of the darkest episodes in the Transformers franchise, let alone the Beast Wars series.






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                If you've ever seen the series "Transformers: Beast Wars" I highly recommend the relationship between the characters of Rattrap and Dinobot. At the start of the series, the former is a member of the Noble Maximals while the later is an evil Predicons. However, the loyalties are not static. By the end of the first story, Dinobot defects to the Maximals and a few episodes later, Rattrap switches sides as well. However, there is a distinction between the two that underlines their mutual distrust of each other (which over the series ranges from out and out hatred to just insulting each other because anything else would be cruel.). Where as Dinobot defects because he feels Megatron has dishonored their cause, and thus crossed a line, Rattrap defects because he feels it will benefit the Maximals.



                Rattrap and Dinobot differ because Rattrap is a fanatic, but a fanatic for a good cause. If something can further the Maximal cause, but is morally questionable, Rattrap will not only justify it, he'll volunteer. For Dinobot, if something will further the Predicon but is morally questionable, it is better to side with the enemy than to comprimise on principals. Dinobot views Rattrap as fanatically loyal as the Predicons he just left, and thus, no better while he is a noble and honorbound warrior. Meanwhile, Rattrap views Dinobot as an oppertunisitic traitor to his kind, which is something Rattrap would only do if it meant his people would benfit in the long gun, he is the Patriot to Dinobot's spy with a convincing cover story. These dynamics are central to Dinobot's character arc, which build up to the final driving question: If Dinobot does not oppose the Predicons, his initial mission he started with in the very first episode will succeed... but he knows that such a choice has a major morally questionable price to pay.



                Without spoiling, this conclusion to Dinobot's story is probably one of the darkest episodes in the Transformers franchise, let alone the Beast Wars series.






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                  If you've ever seen the series "Transformers: Beast Wars" I highly recommend the relationship between the characters of Rattrap and Dinobot. At the start of the series, the former is a member of the Noble Maximals while the later is an evil Predicons. However, the loyalties are not static. By the end of the first story, Dinobot defects to the Maximals and a few episodes later, Rattrap switches sides as well. However, there is a distinction between the two that underlines their mutual distrust of each other (which over the series ranges from out and out hatred to just insulting each other because anything else would be cruel.). Where as Dinobot defects because he feels Megatron has dishonored their cause, and thus crossed a line, Rattrap defects because he feels it will benefit the Maximals.



                  Rattrap and Dinobot differ because Rattrap is a fanatic, but a fanatic for a good cause. If something can further the Maximal cause, but is morally questionable, Rattrap will not only justify it, he'll volunteer. For Dinobot, if something will further the Predicon but is morally questionable, it is better to side with the enemy than to comprimise on principals. Dinobot views Rattrap as fanatically loyal as the Predicons he just left, and thus, no better while he is a noble and honorbound warrior. Meanwhile, Rattrap views Dinobot as an oppertunisitic traitor to his kind, which is something Rattrap would only do if it meant his people would benfit in the long gun, he is the Patriot to Dinobot's spy with a convincing cover story. These dynamics are central to Dinobot's character arc, which build up to the final driving question: If Dinobot does not oppose the Predicons, his initial mission he started with in the very first episode will succeed... but he knows that such a choice has a major morally questionable price to pay.



                  Without spoiling, this conclusion to Dinobot's story is probably one of the darkest episodes in the Transformers franchise, let alone the Beast Wars series.






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                  If you've ever seen the series "Transformers: Beast Wars" I highly recommend the relationship between the characters of Rattrap and Dinobot. At the start of the series, the former is a member of the Noble Maximals while the later is an evil Predicons. However, the loyalties are not static. By the end of the first story, Dinobot defects to the Maximals and a few episodes later, Rattrap switches sides as well. However, there is a distinction between the two that underlines their mutual distrust of each other (which over the series ranges from out and out hatred to just insulting each other because anything else would be cruel.). Where as Dinobot defects because he feels Megatron has dishonored their cause, and thus crossed a line, Rattrap defects because he feels it will benefit the Maximals.



                  Rattrap and Dinobot differ because Rattrap is a fanatic, but a fanatic for a good cause. If something can further the Maximal cause, but is morally questionable, Rattrap will not only justify it, he'll volunteer. For Dinobot, if something will further the Predicon but is morally questionable, it is better to side with the enemy than to comprimise on principals. Dinobot views Rattrap as fanatically loyal as the Predicons he just left, and thus, no better while he is a noble and honorbound warrior. Meanwhile, Rattrap views Dinobot as an oppertunisitic traitor to his kind, which is something Rattrap would only do if it meant his people would benfit in the long gun, he is the Patriot to Dinobot's spy with a convincing cover story. These dynamics are central to Dinobot's character arc, which build up to the final driving question: If Dinobot does not oppose the Predicons, his initial mission he started with in the very first episode will succeed... but he knows that such a choice has a major morally questionable price to pay.



                  Without spoiling, this conclusion to Dinobot's story is probably one of the darkest episodes in the Transformers franchise, let alone the Beast Wars series.







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