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Find the sale price given the 40% markup over wholesale and later 20% discountCalculating percentage to compensate for percent discount.Profit-Loss : DiscountHow to work out this discount?Calculating a 20% discount by multiplying by 0.8333?Finding discount % given original price and discount value?GRE percentages / discount question$(1+x)(1-x)=1-x^2$Calculate remain discount for an amount .Find Original Value using result of discounted discount













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To increase a number by a percentage I was taught the formula no x 1.percentage, so for example:



100 increased by 15%:
100 x 1.15 = 115


But today, I learned the hard way that doing the inverse of the above (i.e. no / 1.percentage), isn't the correct way of decreasing a number by a percentage (aka "applying a discount"). E.g:



100 decreased by 15%:
100 / 1.15 = 86.95652 <- WRONG
100 - (100 x 0.15) = 85 <- RIGHT


My Question: Why doesn't the formula no / 1.percentage work, when decreasing a number by a percentage?



Side Question: Is there a simpler formula to decrease a number by a percentage than no - (no x 0.percent)?



Note: My math knowledge is super basic, so maybe pretend you're explaining this to a twelve year old when answering. But if you want to give sophisticated answers for future readers, that's fine too, I might just not understand it though.










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    $86.95652$ is the answer to the question : If a product is worth $100 after a 15% increase, how much was it worth before the increase?
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To increase a number by a percentage I was taught the formula no x 1.percentage, so for example:



100 increased by 15%:
100 x 1.15 = 115


But today, I learned the hard way that doing the inverse of the above (i.e. no / 1.percentage), isn't the correct way of decreasing a number by a percentage (aka "applying a discount"). E.g:



100 decreased by 15%:
100 / 1.15 = 86.95652 <- WRONG
100 - (100 x 0.15) = 85 <- RIGHT


My Question: Why doesn't the formula no / 1.percentage work, when decreasing a number by a percentage?



Side Question: Is there a simpler formula to decrease a number by a percentage than no - (no x 0.percent)?



Note: My math knowledge is super basic, so maybe pretend you're explaining this to a twelve year old when answering. But if you want to give sophisticated answers for future readers, that's fine too, I might just not understand it though.










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    $begingroup$
    $86.95652$ is the answer to the question : If a product is worth $100 after a 15% increase, how much was it worth before the increase?
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To increase a number by a percentage I was taught the formula no x 1.percentage, so for example:



100 increased by 15%:
100 x 1.15 = 115


But today, I learned the hard way that doing the inverse of the above (i.e. no / 1.percentage), isn't the correct way of decreasing a number by a percentage (aka "applying a discount"). E.g:



100 decreased by 15%:
100 / 1.15 = 86.95652 <- WRONG
100 - (100 x 0.15) = 85 <- RIGHT


My Question: Why doesn't the formula no / 1.percentage work, when decreasing a number by a percentage?



Side Question: Is there a simpler formula to decrease a number by a percentage than no - (no x 0.percent)?



Note: My math knowledge is super basic, so maybe pretend you're explaining this to a twelve year old when answering. But if you want to give sophisticated answers for future readers, that's fine too, I might just not understand it though.










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To increase a number by a percentage I was taught the formula no x 1.percentage, so for example:



100 increased by 15%:
100 x 1.15 = 115


But today, I learned the hard way that doing the inverse of the above (i.e. no / 1.percentage), isn't the correct way of decreasing a number by a percentage (aka "applying a discount"). E.g:



100 decreased by 15%:
100 / 1.15 = 86.95652 <- WRONG
100 - (100 x 0.15) = 85 <- RIGHT


My Question: Why doesn't the formula no / 1.percentage work, when decreasing a number by a percentage?



Side Question: Is there a simpler formula to decrease a number by a percentage than no - (no x 0.percent)?



Note: My math knowledge is super basic, so maybe pretend you're explaining this to a twelve year old when answering. But if you want to give sophisticated answers for future readers, that's fine too, I might just not understand it though.







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The method of increasing a value $V$ by $p%$ is actually adding $Vtimesfrac p100$:
$$V_textnew = V + Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 + frac p100right)$$
For $p=15$ you have a nice multiplier
$$left(1 + frac p100right) = 1 + 0.15 = 1.15$$



Remember, however, that '1.p' is a shortcut or mnemonic, not a method. It wouln't even work for $p$ greater than 99, say for $+120%$. And it won't work for $p <0$, either.



For decreasing you need to apply the method, which is:
$$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 - frac p100right)$$
so for 15-percent decrement you get:
$$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac 15100 = Vtimes(1 - 0.15) = Vtimes 0.85$$



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To answer your main question directly, forget percentages. Suppose you need to rise a value from 100 to 125. The new value is $$125 = 100timesfrac 54=100times( 1+frac 14) $$ hence an increase by 25%.
Now, if you want to reduce it back to 100, you get $$100=125times frac 45=120times(1-frac 15)$$ which is 20% decrease.
Why was it 1/4 before, and 1/5 now? Because the same difference $pm 25$ was taken relative to 100 in the former case and to 125 in the latter one. When we added a fourth part, we got five fourths of the initial value, so we needed to take away one of those five, i.e. a fifth part to get back.



And here you have the difference in percentages: 1/4=25%, while 1/5=20%.



So, $value/1.p$ division reduces the value by p% of the resulting value, not of the original one.






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    The reason that your suggested formula doesn't work is that "increase by $k$%" and "decrease by $k$%" do not undo one another like $+5$ and $-5$ or $times 2$ and $div 2$ do (we would say that they are not inverses).



    For example $100$ increased by $50%$ is $150$. However, $150$ decreased by $50%$ is 75.



    Therefore, if we want to decrease a number by a percentage, we can't just attempt to do the opposite operation of increasing by that percentage.






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      It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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    What you did is the right answer to a different problem. The general method, "multiply by $1+$ change" is a good one when used properly.



    To increase a number by $15%$ you multiply by
    $$
    1 + 0.15 = 1.15.
    $$

    To decrease a number by $15%$ you multiply by
    $$
    1 - 0.15 = 0.85.
    $$

    But to undo a $15%$ increase you have to "unmultiply" by $1.15$. So you divide by $1.15$. Since
    $$
    frac11.15 = 0.86956521739 approx 0.87 = 1 - 0.13,
    $$

    to undo a $15%$ increase you make a $13%$ decrease.






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      To find $15 %$ of some number $N$, we solve an equation (proportion) $fracN100=fracx15$ or $x=0.15N$. That's why a $15%$ increase can be found as $N+0.15N=1.15N$ and decrease is found as $N-0.15N=0.85N$






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        It works the same way...



        Increase : to increase of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1+0,15)=1,15$.



        Decrease : to decrease of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1-0,15)=0,85$.




        Unfortunately, the $15 %$ factors get similar results; thus it can be misleading.



        Consider instead an increase of $20 %$. Why the "inverse" operation (i.e. to divide by $1,2$ to decrease does not produce the correct result ?



        With a $20 %$ increase the updated price will be $120$.



        Now, what is the amount of a decrease of the updated price by $20 %$ ? It is not $20$ but $24$.



        And we have that $120 times (1-0,2)=96$ while $dfrac 1201,2=100$.






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          Consider the literal meaning of "per cent"



          Increase $X$ by 15%:
          $$
          X + X times frac15100 = frac100X100 + frac15X100 = frac(100+15)X100 = frac115X100 = 1.15X
          $$



          Decrease X by 15%:
          $$
          X - X times frac15100 = frac100X100 - frac15X100 = frac(100-15)X100 = frac85X100 = 0.85X
          $$






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            If we want to increase $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then add it to $n$ itself: $$0.ptimes n+n=(0.p+1)times n=1.ptimes n$$This is how you arrived to your formula.



            If we want to decrease $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then subtract it from $n$ itself:$$n-0.ptimes n=(1-0.p)times n$$This is how to derive the formula for a decrease.






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              The method of increasing a value $V$ by $p%$ is actually adding $Vtimesfrac p100$:
              $$V_textnew = V + Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 + frac p100right)$$
              For $p=15$ you have a nice multiplier
              $$left(1 + frac p100right) = 1 + 0.15 = 1.15$$



              Remember, however, that '1.p' is a shortcut or mnemonic, not a method. It wouln't even work for $p$ greater than 99, say for $+120%$. And it won't work for $p <0$, either.



              For decreasing you need to apply the method, which is:
              $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 - frac p100right)$$
              so for 15-percent decrement you get:
              $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac 15100 = Vtimes(1 - 0.15) = Vtimes 0.85$$



              EDIT



              To answer your main question directly, forget percentages. Suppose you need to rise a value from 100 to 125. The new value is $$125 = 100timesfrac 54=100times( 1+frac 14) $$ hence an increase by 25%.
              Now, if you want to reduce it back to 100, you get $$100=125times frac 45=120times(1-frac 15)$$ which is 20% decrease.
              Why was it 1/4 before, and 1/5 now? Because the same difference $pm 25$ was taken relative to 100 in the former case and to 125 in the latter one. When we added a fourth part, we got five fourths of the initial value, so we needed to take away one of those five, i.e. a fifth part to get back.



              And here you have the difference in percentages: 1/4=25%, while 1/5=20%.



              So, $value/1.p$ division reduces the value by p% of the resulting value, not of the original one.






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                The method of increasing a value $V$ by $p%$ is actually adding $Vtimesfrac p100$:
                $$V_textnew = V + Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 + frac p100right)$$
                For $p=15$ you have a nice multiplier
                $$left(1 + frac p100right) = 1 + 0.15 = 1.15$$



                Remember, however, that '1.p' is a shortcut or mnemonic, not a method. It wouln't even work for $p$ greater than 99, say for $+120%$. And it won't work for $p <0$, either.



                For decreasing you need to apply the method, which is:
                $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 - frac p100right)$$
                so for 15-percent decrement you get:
                $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac 15100 = Vtimes(1 - 0.15) = Vtimes 0.85$$



                EDIT



                To answer your main question directly, forget percentages. Suppose you need to rise a value from 100 to 125. The new value is $$125 = 100timesfrac 54=100times( 1+frac 14) $$ hence an increase by 25%.
                Now, if you want to reduce it back to 100, you get $$100=125times frac 45=120times(1-frac 15)$$ which is 20% decrease.
                Why was it 1/4 before, and 1/5 now? Because the same difference $pm 25$ was taken relative to 100 in the former case and to 125 in the latter one. When we added a fourth part, we got five fourths of the initial value, so we needed to take away one of those five, i.e. a fifth part to get back.



                And here you have the difference in percentages: 1/4=25%, while 1/5=20%.



                So, $value/1.p$ division reduces the value by p% of the resulting value, not of the original one.






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                  The method of increasing a value $V$ by $p%$ is actually adding $Vtimesfrac p100$:
                  $$V_textnew = V + Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 + frac p100right)$$
                  For $p=15$ you have a nice multiplier
                  $$left(1 + frac p100right) = 1 + 0.15 = 1.15$$



                  Remember, however, that '1.p' is a shortcut or mnemonic, not a method. It wouln't even work for $p$ greater than 99, say for $+120%$. And it won't work for $p <0$, either.



                  For decreasing you need to apply the method, which is:
                  $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 - frac p100right)$$
                  so for 15-percent decrement you get:
                  $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac 15100 = Vtimes(1 - 0.15) = Vtimes 0.85$$



                  EDIT



                  To answer your main question directly, forget percentages. Suppose you need to rise a value from 100 to 125. The new value is $$125 = 100timesfrac 54=100times( 1+frac 14) $$ hence an increase by 25%.
                  Now, if you want to reduce it back to 100, you get $$100=125times frac 45=120times(1-frac 15)$$ which is 20% decrease.
                  Why was it 1/4 before, and 1/5 now? Because the same difference $pm 25$ was taken relative to 100 in the former case and to 125 in the latter one. When we added a fourth part, we got five fourths of the initial value, so we needed to take away one of those five, i.e. a fifth part to get back.



                  And here you have the difference in percentages: 1/4=25%, while 1/5=20%.



                  So, $value/1.p$ division reduces the value by p% of the resulting value, not of the original one.






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                  The method of increasing a value $V$ by $p%$ is actually adding $Vtimesfrac p100$:
                  $$V_textnew = V + Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 + frac p100right)$$
                  For $p=15$ you have a nice multiplier
                  $$left(1 + frac p100right) = 1 + 0.15 = 1.15$$



                  Remember, however, that '1.p' is a shortcut or mnemonic, not a method. It wouln't even work for $p$ greater than 99, say for $+120%$. And it won't work for $p <0$, either.



                  For decreasing you need to apply the method, which is:
                  $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac p100 = Vtimesleft(1 - frac p100right)$$
                  so for 15-percent decrement you get:
                  $$V_textnew=V - Vtimesfrac 15100 = Vtimes(1 - 0.15) = Vtimes 0.85$$



                  EDIT



                  To answer your main question directly, forget percentages. Suppose you need to rise a value from 100 to 125. The new value is $$125 = 100timesfrac 54=100times( 1+frac 14) $$ hence an increase by 25%.
                  Now, if you want to reduce it back to 100, you get $$100=125times frac 45=120times(1-frac 15)$$ which is 20% decrease.
                  Why was it 1/4 before, and 1/5 now? Because the same difference $pm 25$ was taken relative to 100 in the former case and to 125 in the latter one. When we added a fourth part, we got five fourths of the initial value, so we needed to take away one of those five, i.e. a fifth part to get back.



                  And here you have the difference in percentages: 1/4=25%, while 1/5=20%.



                  So, $value/1.p$ division reduces the value by p% of the resulting value, not of the original one.







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                      The reason that your suggested formula doesn't work is that "increase by $k$%" and "decrease by $k$%" do not undo one another like $+5$ and $-5$ or $times 2$ and $div 2$ do (we would say that they are not inverses).



                      For example $100$ increased by $50%$ is $150$. However, $150$ decreased by $50%$ is 75.



                      Therefore, if we want to decrease a number by a percentage, we can't just attempt to do the opposite operation of increasing by that percentage.






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                        It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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                      The reason that your suggested formula doesn't work is that "increase by $k$%" and "decrease by $k$%" do not undo one another like $+5$ and $-5$ or $times 2$ and $div 2$ do (we would say that they are not inverses).



                      For example $100$ increased by $50%$ is $150$. However, $150$ decreased by $50%$ is 75.



                      Therefore, if we want to decrease a number by a percentage, we can't just attempt to do the opposite operation of increasing by that percentage.






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                        It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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                      The reason that your suggested formula doesn't work is that "increase by $k$%" and "decrease by $k$%" do not undo one another like $+5$ and $-5$ or $times 2$ and $div 2$ do (we would say that they are not inverses).



                      For example $100$ increased by $50%$ is $150$. However, $150$ decreased by $50%$ is 75.



                      Therefore, if we want to decrease a number by a percentage, we can't just attempt to do the opposite operation of increasing by that percentage.






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                      The reason that your suggested formula doesn't work is that "increase by $k$%" and "decrease by $k$%" do not undo one another like $+5$ and $-5$ or $times 2$ and $div 2$ do (we would say that they are not inverses).



                      For example $100$ increased by $50%$ is $150$. However, $150$ decreased by $50%$ is 75.



                      Therefore, if we want to decrease a number by a percentage, we can't just attempt to do the opposite operation of increasing by that percentage.







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                        It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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                      It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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                      It's also important to understand this applies to any ratio and can be used to play psychological tricks. For example, if A is 50% faster than B, then B is only about 30% slower than A. You could use either depending on whether you want to emphasize or downplay this gap.
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                      What you did is the right answer to a different problem. The general method, "multiply by $1+$ change" is a good one when used properly.



                      To increase a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                      $$
                      1 + 0.15 = 1.15.
                      $$

                      To decrease a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                      $$
                      1 - 0.15 = 0.85.
                      $$

                      But to undo a $15%$ increase you have to "unmultiply" by $1.15$. So you divide by $1.15$. Since
                      $$
                      frac11.15 = 0.86956521739 approx 0.87 = 1 - 0.13,
                      $$

                      to undo a $15%$ increase you make a $13%$ decrease.






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                        $begingroup$

                        What you did is the right answer to a different problem. The general method, "multiply by $1+$ change" is a good one when used properly.



                        To increase a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                        $$
                        1 + 0.15 = 1.15.
                        $$

                        To decrease a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                        $$
                        1 - 0.15 = 0.85.
                        $$

                        But to undo a $15%$ increase you have to "unmultiply" by $1.15$. So you divide by $1.15$. Since
                        $$
                        frac11.15 = 0.86956521739 approx 0.87 = 1 - 0.13,
                        $$

                        to undo a $15%$ increase you make a $13%$ decrease.






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                          $begingroup$

                          What you did is the right answer to a different problem. The general method, "multiply by $1+$ change" is a good one when used properly.



                          To increase a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                          $$
                          1 + 0.15 = 1.15.
                          $$

                          To decrease a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                          $$
                          1 - 0.15 = 0.85.
                          $$

                          But to undo a $15%$ increase you have to "unmultiply" by $1.15$. So you divide by $1.15$. Since
                          $$
                          frac11.15 = 0.86956521739 approx 0.87 = 1 - 0.13,
                          $$

                          to undo a $15%$ increase you make a $13%$ decrease.






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                          What you did is the right answer to a different problem. The general method, "multiply by $1+$ change" is a good one when used properly.



                          To increase a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                          $$
                          1 + 0.15 = 1.15.
                          $$

                          To decrease a number by $15%$ you multiply by
                          $$
                          1 - 0.15 = 0.85.
                          $$

                          But to undo a $15%$ increase you have to "unmultiply" by $1.15$. So you divide by $1.15$. Since
                          $$
                          frac11.15 = 0.86956521739 approx 0.87 = 1 - 0.13,
                          $$

                          to undo a $15%$ increase you make a $13%$ decrease.







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                              To find $15 %$ of some number $N$, we solve an equation (proportion) $fracN100=fracx15$ or $x=0.15N$. That's why a $15%$ increase can be found as $N+0.15N=1.15N$ and decrease is found as $N-0.15N=0.85N$






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                                To find $15 %$ of some number $N$, we solve an equation (proportion) $fracN100=fracx15$ or $x=0.15N$. That's why a $15%$ increase can be found as $N+0.15N=1.15N$ and decrease is found as $N-0.15N=0.85N$






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                                  To find $15 %$ of some number $N$, we solve an equation (proportion) $fracN100=fracx15$ or $x=0.15N$. That's why a $15%$ increase can be found as $N+0.15N=1.15N$ and decrease is found as $N-0.15N=0.85N$






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                                  To find $15 %$ of some number $N$, we solve an equation (proportion) $fracN100=fracx15$ or $x=0.15N$. That's why a $15%$ increase can be found as $N+0.15N=1.15N$ and decrease is found as $N-0.15N=0.85N$







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                                      It works the same way...



                                      Increase : to increase of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1+0,15)=1,15$.



                                      Decrease : to decrease of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1-0,15)=0,85$.




                                      Unfortunately, the $15 %$ factors get similar results; thus it can be misleading.



                                      Consider instead an increase of $20 %$. Why the "inverse" operation (i.e. to divide by $1,2$ to decrease does not produce the correct result ?



                                      With a $20 %$ increase the updated price will be $120$.



                                      Now, what is the amount of a decrease of the updated price by $20 %$ ? It is not $20$ but $24$.



                                      And we have that $120 times (1-0,2)=96$ while $dfrac 1201,2=100$.






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                                        It works the same way...



                                        Increase : to increase of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1+0,15)=1,15$.



                                        Decrease : to decrease of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1-0,15)=0,85$.




                                        Unfortunately, the $15 %$ factors get similar results; thus it can be misleading.



                                        Consider instead an increase of $20 %$. Why the "inverse" operation (i.e. to divide by $1,2$ to decrease does not produce the correct result ?



                                        With a $20 %$ increase the updated price will be $120$.



                                        Now, what is the amount of a decrease of the updated price by $20 %$ ? It is not $20$ but $24$.



                                        And we have that $120 times (1-0,2)=96$ while $dfrac 1201,2=100$.






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                                          It works the same way...



                                          Increase : to increase of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1+0,15)=1,15$.



                                          Decrease : to decrease of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1-0,15)=0,85$.




                                          Unfortunately, the $15 %$ factors get similar results; thus it can be misleading.



                                          Consider instead an increase of $20 %$. Why the "inverse" operation (i.e. to divide by $1,2$ to decrease does not produce the correct result ?



                                          With a $20 %$ increase the updated price will be $120$.



                                          Now, what is the amount of a decrease of the updated price by $20 %$ ? It is not $20$ but $24$.



                                          And we have that $120 times (1-0,2)=96$ while $dfrac 1201,2=100$.






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                                          It works the same way...



                                          Increase : to increase of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1+0,15)=1,15$.



                                          Decrease : to decrease of $15 %$ means to multiply by $(1-0,15)=0,85$.




                                          Unfortunately, the $15 %$ factors get similar results; thus it can be misleading.



                                          Consider instead an increase of $20 %$. Why the "inverse" operation (i.e. to divide by $1,2$ to decrease does not produce the correct result ?



                                          With a $20 %$ increase the updated price will be $120$.



                                          Now, what is the amount of a decrease of the updated price by $20 %$ ? It is not $20$ but $24$.



                                          And we have that $120 times (1-0,2)=96$ while $dfrac 1201,2=100$.







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                                              Consider the literal meaning of "per cent"



                                              Increase $X$ by 15%:
                                              $$
                                              X + X times frac15100 = frac100X100 + frac15X100 = frac(100+15)X100 = frac115X100 = 1.15X
                                              $$



                                              Decrease X by 15%:
                                              $$
                                              X - X times frac15100 = frac100X100 - frac15X100 = frac(100-15)X100 = frac85X100 = 0.85X
                                              $$






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                                                Consider the literal meaning of "per cent"



                                                Increase $X$ by 15%:
                                                $$
                                                X + X times frac15100 = frac100X100 + frac15X100 = frac(100+15)X100 = frac115X100 = 1.15X
                                                $$



                                                Decrease X by 15%:
                                                $$
                                                X - X times frac15100 = frac100X100 - frac15X100 = frac(100-15)X100 = frac85X100 = 0.85X
                                                $$






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                                                  Consider the literal meaning of "per cent"



                                                  Increase $X$ by 15%:
                                                  $$
                                                  X + X times frac15100 = frac100X100 + frac15X100 = frac(100+15)X100 = frac115X100 = 1.15X
                                                  $$



                                                  Decrease X by 15%:
                                                  $$
                                                  X - X times frac15100 = frac100X100 - frac15X100 = frac(100-15)X100 = frac85X100 = 0.85X
                                                  $$






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                                                  Consider the literal meaning of "per cent"



                                                  Increase $X$ by 15%:
                                                  $$
                                                  X + X times frac15100 = frac100X100 + frac15X100 = frac(100+15)X100 = frac115X100 = 1.15X
                                                  $$



                                                  Decrease X by 15%:
                                                  $$
                                                  X - X times frac15100 = frac100X100 - frac15X100 = frac(100-15)X100 = frac85X100 = 0.85X
                                                  $$







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                                                      If we want to increase $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then add it to $n$ itself: $$0.ptimes n+n=(0.p+1)times n=1.ptimes n$$This is how you arrived to your formula.



                                                      If we want to decrease $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then subtract it from $n$ itself:$$n-0.ptimes n=(1-0.p)times n$$This is how to derive the formula for a decrease.






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                                                        If we want to increase $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then add it to $n$ itself: $$0.ptimes n+n=(0.p+1)times n=1.ptimes n$$This is how you arrived to your formula.



                                                        If we want to decrease $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then subtract it from $n$ itself:$$n-0.ptimes n=(1-0.p)times n$$This is how to derive the formula for a decrease.






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                                                          If we want to increase $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then add it to $n$ itself: $$0.ptimes n+n=(0.p+1)times n=1.ptimes n$$This is how you arrived to your formula.



                                                          If we want to decrease $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then subtract it from $n$ itself:$$n-0.ptimes n=(1-0.p)times n$$This is how to derive the formula for a decrease.






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                                                          If we want to increase $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then add it to $n$ itself: $$0.ptimes n+n=(0.p+1)times n=1.ptimes n$$This is how you arrived to your formula.



                                                          If we want to decrease $n$ by $p$%, we work out what $p$% of $n$ is, and then subtract it from $n$ itself:$$n-0.ptimes n=(1-0.p)times n$$This is how to derive the formula for a decrease.







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